How Herman Overcame Fear & Anxiety And Started A $200M Business


Today I want to share with you a recent interview I did with one of our customers in the Reality Mastery program, Herman.

Herman is a multi venture entrepreneur: he enters a new business venture, solves a problem and gets paid because of it. He’s really good at it too.

What he was not so good at, was getting out of his own way.

See Herman always operated from a place of scarcity and fear; he would be in constant worry about negative circumstances and it not only caused him mental strife, but started to reflect out in his businesses as well.

Recently he was undergoing a big lawsuit due to a falling out with old business partners. Herman knew living like this wasn’t serving him, so he set out on a mission to solve it.

That’s how we crossed paths.

Here’s what we discuss:

  • What it really takes to be an entrepreneur
  • How Herman quit his corporate career and took the leap into entrepreneurship
  • The worry around finances and moving a step forwards, a step backwards
  • How the worries and fears start bleeding out into relationships
  • How he overcame the constant state of fear and scarcity
  • Starting up a new business from a new mindset & entering a $200M venture
  • Becoming successful by learning “coordination” & eliminating fear
  • Reaching a new level of self awareness: how Herman did it
  • Moving to a new country, dropping the old self
  • Overcoming self doubt in launching a new business and stepping into the new self

Hope this interview was helpful! Leave me a comment with your thoughts?


Quazi (00:00):

Yeah, welcome guys. Welcome to another episode of client interviews today. We have Herman Herman Allah, let you introduce yourself a little bit about you and where you’re from, what you do,

Herman (00:10):

Et cetera. Yeah. So my name is Herman. Um, I’m originally Australian, uh, became a Canadian citizen, uh, actually few years ago, uh, moved to Canada when I was, uh, 16 and been there since up until probably 2017, uh, where I moved to Bali, uh, spent two years there kind of just taking a break from work. And, you know, at that time was more like a spiritual journey for me. And then, um, met my wife and then now moved to Malaysia. Uh, I’ve been an entrepreneur for about six, seven years now, full time. Uh, prior to that, I was in corporate for six years. I used to work for a company called Smucker’s. This is a jam company. I’m sure. You know, peanut butter States. Yeah. Peanut butter Jif. Yeah. So, so, uh, yeah, so I, I joined causes course, uh, back in November last year and a lot has happened since then, you know, who, who I, who I was back then and who I am right now, I feel like I’ve, I’ve made a lot of, uh, changes for the better I’ve grown so much.

Herman (01:30):

And, uh, I’ve nothing but say, you know, thank you quasi. It’s been an amazing journey. And, uh, I know this course has given me a lot of tools and things to, to continue using for the rest of my life, you know, and I’m still using it today. You know, I’ve been through the course second time and I’m actually trying to do it a third time just to kind of keep the, get the material and stuff fresh, um, too bad. We’re not in my office, but I was going to show you like all by pinups and stuff. I still have it everywhere. So, you know, just kind of a reminder

Quazi (02:04):

Is said a picture of that in the group. And everyone’s like, wow, wow, the white boy,

Herman (02:08):

I like to keep it my, my wife and I actually like to share the board and sometimes she’s like, Oh, I need the entire board. I’m like, no, I need the, I need to have his notes. I mean, I need my mentor’s notes up. I can’t take it off.

Quazi (02:22):

That’s awesome, man. So you joined like, um, it’s almost about to be, it’s been 11 months. It’s October, November, 2019, dude. I’m curious to know how come you joined, you know, what was the motivation behind you joining? What place were you in back in November, you know, when you came on the club?

Herman (02:39):

Yeah. So I remember back in that time, um, I, I I’ve tried a lot of courses, you know, at that point. And I feel like, um, you know, I did get some value, you know, and those courses that I’ve bought. Um, but I just felt like I kept coming back to the same issue, you know, and one of the main things for me was, I, I, I was always worried about one of the things I was always worried about is just finance. No, I it’s just, even when I had it, I was worried, you know, and obviously sometimes when I struggled, I worried about it as well. So yeah, I was just, I just felt like I was just going back, you know, I was making one step forward and taking two steps back, you know, so, you know, I just reached a point where I just wanted to, to see some real, real results in growth, you know, and, you know, I was watching a lot of your YouTube videos that, uh, they were popping up from my feed at the time. And, you know, I got hooked after watching a few and then I kept watching and a lot of the material that you’re, that you’re presenting, uh, resonated with me a lot. So I took the, took the chance, you know, took a leap to book a call. And then after speaking to you, it was a very easy decision, you know, at the time. And, uh, yeah, the rest is history.

Quazi (04:02):

I’m glad to hear that, man. So you mentioned that you were worried about like, even when you had money, you know, there was like worry around it. How do you think that, you know, it’s, it’s difficult because like people are at different stages, right? This is like more of a, like I’m already an established entrepreneur. I’m doing well, but I’m suffering like internally I’m suffering, even when my business is going well, I’m worried about what could go wrong next. Right. How long have you been like, struggling with that? And I suppose, how has it affected other areas of your life? You know, business-wise, how has it affected it, maybe even relationship with your wife, you know?

Herman (04:37):

Yeah. I mean, that’s a pretty good question. Um, so there’s a few ways, uh, to look into that, uh, how long has that been going on? Honestly, uh, for the longest time, actually, as long as I can remember, you know, even when I was in my corporate job, I was doing well, you know, I had a good life. I, you know, I had, I could say I had, you know, I’m more comfortable than, I’m sorry. I had a lot of things. You know, I had a nice car at a good house. I could pay job, you know, I had savings, but for some reason I just kept having this worry, you know, this worry. And so it was been going on for many, many, many years, like throughout my entire, uh, entrepreneurial, uh, years to my corporate life, you know, even after getting out of a university, I remember just trying to think, you know, I wasn’t in a bad situation and like a lot of people, you know, I was quite fortunate. I have a good, you know, like my parents were quite well off, so I’ve never had to struggle with money, you know, if I, if I look at it, but I always, for some reason, just be, you know, emotionally, mentally, I’ve always worried about it. It was just something that, you know, I didn’t really know what the issue was at the time.

Quazi (05:49):

So what I’m trying to understand is what, why did it, why did you finally make the decision to like, overcome that, you know, back November? Like, why did you take the leap and say, you know what, this can’t go on like this anymore. What really happened that brought you to that rock bottom.

Herman (06:07):

I just hated thinking about it all the time, you know? And I knew I needed to make a change, you know, just having to worry about the same thing over and over and over again, that’s a sign, it’s a sign that I have something that I needed to address, you know? So it was just, it just got to the, you know, the boiling point, you could say sick and tired of worrying about the same thing, you know? So yeah.

Quazi (06:30):

Yeah. I totally get that, man. You know, especially if you run a business, it’s, it’s very easy. It’s like the pain and pleasure cycle. Right. Even when you’re in pleasure, you’re worried about the pain that’s going to come in the future. Yeah. Present moment. Okay.

Herman (06:42):

Yeah, exactly. And it’s kind of stopped me from really enjoying the successes and stuff that I, that I had, you know, I still always think, Oh, you know, I’m always worrying about the future you, so, right.

Quazi (06:55):

Yeah. So also what I want to know is how did that affect other areas of your life? You know, that constant worry and fear.

Herman (07:03):

Yeah. Okay. So, um, so I I’ve been married for like, uh, I’ve, I’ve been with my wife, uh, for two years now, but obviously my previous relationships now that I, I I’ve gone back, you know, I, during the time I remember just always worrying about my mind, which is always focused on the worry, the money, the business. Right. You know, and it did, and it did affect my relationship. Yes. Romantically. It did, you know, cause then I remember, uh, my ex-girlfriend at the time will go like, you know, just you’re you’re here, but you’re not there. You’re, you’re here, but you’re not here, you know, your mind is elsewhere. Right. So yeah, it did, it did affect my relationships, um, my relationship at that time. And I also remember that even in my prior relationships, I was always worrying about the same thing as well. So it was always a repeating cycle. So yeah.

Quazi (07:55):

When did you get self-awareness around this? Like when did you really become aware that this is a problem that you need to solve?

Herman (08:04):

See, the funny thing is like, I, I guess I’ve always, I’ve always known that this was happening, but to the point to answer your question, when did I really, really become aware of it? I think it was probably last year, like yeah. Like this had to yeah. Like really, really be where that I had to change. Is that something that I can, can go on, you know?

Quazi (08:32):

And I understand that, um, you know, when you were there, that was like a difficult point too, because a lot of changes were happening in your business. I mean, from what I recall, uh, if you could, you know, fill in the gaps in the details about that, what the business was and everything. Uh, but there, there was like a falling out with your partner and like maybe there was like some sort of a lawsuit that was going on business. Could you just give us a little background?

Herman (08:57):

Yeah. So my main business, uh, is, uh, we, we did precious metal trading. So, um, what that entails is I would buy and sell. Uh, the first portfolio was Raul gold. So I would travel to Africa, Ghana to be more specific and I would source to go there and I sell it to our refineries in Dubai. So my company is based out of Dubai. Um, so we, we did have, uh, we originally had four partners. Uh, we had a falling out one though because, um, differences and, you know, numbers weren’t adding up. So we just part ways. And then we got into a lawsuit with our, uh, supplier, a huge sum of money, actually, both our, our own money plus our investor’s money. So even till today, uh, we are still fighting and yeah, it’s been a huge stress, you know, before, uh, the prior three years have been a huge stress. But, uh, I can honestly say now, especially after joining the course, uh, I’ve been able to manage that a lot better and coordinate, and I’m actually, to be honest with you, this, this entire year has been tremendous, like, um, more peace. Um, I know how to handle myself, uh, my thoughts, my emotions, and stuff like that. So I’m just in a much, much better place.

Quazi (10:32):

Gotcha. So what do you think it was, that was the turning point for you? What, what sort of tools, what did you learn from the program that kind of helped you not even just get awareness of the, of the problem at hand, but also like help you deal with it?

Herman (10:49):

Um, consciousness, be very present, aware that I was playing these stories in my head, you know, having these negative beliefs and kind of being awake, asleep to it, you know, before, but now it’s like, I’m very quick to catch, you know, these triggers, these negative thoughts very, very quick. Now I’ve been like, I do it. So the exercise is like the centering attention and stuff like that, uh, waking up, um, it’s, it’s, I really feel like I’m in control walking in everyday in my life. I’m, I’m present making con conscious decisions, you know, what’s good for me, you know, so that’s been a huge thing is being present, being more aware of the, my internal world, my, you know, the kind of things that I was telling myself, the stories to beliefs, all those things. Yeah. Okay.

Quazi (11:43):

And how has that sort of translated into your business? You know, cause I remember you moved from Canada and right now you’re in Malaysia, in Kuala Lumpur and you started up a new and that’s like gone really well to the point where yeah, give me some highlights, you know, tell us some,

Herman (11:58):

So, so yeah, the Dubai business, uh, obviously we’re in a lawsuit that’s going to go is fine. I, I I’ve accepted that. It’s, you know, so that doesn’t really bother me as much. I kind of just kind of like go and let the lawyers deal with it. So it isn’t there’s no, there’s nothing. I can’t worry about that. You know, it’s out of my control right now, so that’s that? Uh, so yeah, so now that I moved here, um, I still have my divided business and my partners, but now I’ve kind of decided I made a conscious decision, um, that I wanted to kind of venture out and, and kind of do some other projects on my own that I’m in a new country, you know, I’m married. Um, so Malaysia is kind of, kind of like a new playground for me right now, kind of starting fresh.

Herman (12:43):

So it was really good. Um, so this is, there’s been many things. I was doing business development for a Turkish company, um, that wanted to get into Malaysia. And if anything is ever since moving to Malaysia, it’s like all these opportunities start to happen. You know? Um, it seems like a lot of people want to come into Malaysia and now that I’m here, um, they’re kind of using me to help get them in. So one of the first things was like I say, was the Turkish company. It’s, um, they’re a, uh, really company. They wanted to, uh, get a project with the government here in Malaysia. So I was tasked to basically try to get them in and I’ve never done something like this before. First of all, I’m not, I don’t know anything about the railway business, you know, core construction, that’s something totally new.

Herman (13:32):

Um, so anyways, long story short, after six months of, uh, networking and meeting the right people, uh, eventually, uh, got to meet the top people from the prime minister’s office. And I was able to invite, uh, the Turkish company into Malaysia and have meetings with these, uh, with the government. And they were offered the opportunity to, uh, join a tender for this railway project for the airport in Kuala Lumpur. So, um, so I think I did a recent update like a few months ago. Um, after all this hard work, we finally got them shortlisted, which was like almost an impossible task because at that point, when I brought this company in, they are, had already shortlisted the like eight companies at the time, but we kind of came in and were quite very lucky. They were very impressed with the presentation and the meetings that they went to the, uh, to the board to get approval, to add one more company. And that was this company. So that was a huge, uh, for me, I succeeded in getting them short, this it, and now the part of the tender. So that was a huge win for me because I honestly, six months ago I had no idea how I was going to do it. No idea,

Quazi (14:58):

Because I remember you were like, Oh, I have this big interview with the government’s office, you know, meeting the prime minister and if it’s going to go well or not, but I hope so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Herman (15:10):

Went, it went really well. So yeah, that was a, definitely a huge one. Wow. Congratulations man. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. So

Quazi (15:17):

Yeah, go ahead.

Herman (15:18):

Yeah. So now, so now there being another taking part, uh, with the tender. So now the next thing is to win it now. So that’s kind of where we’re at right now, uh, with COVID it’s kind of, it’s slow and also with the cases and the instability of the government now. So it’s, it’s we have three months till they select the company. So yeah, from now, until then, uh, probably until January next year, that’s where they’re going to announce the, uh, the winner. Got it. So, yeah, it’s a huge project to produce huge project. Yeah.

Quazi (15:51):

I bet because it’s a railroad project. It’s probably a couple hundred. Yeah.

Herman (15:55):

Yes. So 200 million, uh, project, uh, I mean the, the, for the really business, it’s very small, but this is like a foot into the door for this company to get future projects, you know? So yeah.

Quazi (16:10):

Yeah. That is pretty huge. I think I remember something, um, I don’t know, correct me if I’m wrong, but something about Khoi, uh, fishing business.

Herman (16:21):

Okay. Yeah. So it’s another project is a I, so it’s to do with the government as well, but for another state, yeah. The States called a loved one in Malaysia. Uh, it’s an Island off of a call up about two hours flight from here. So we were given the opportunity to build the first, uh, fish farm, um, uh, in the ocean. And, um, so basically I brought in my own investment. Um, so that’s kinda what I do now. I, I do business development and I like to invest in projects as well. So I invested in this project. We finally actually, because of COVID all these things that are best stop this from finishing the completion of the farm. Uh, we actually just finished officially two months ago. Uh, and we started it, we started in February, so it took, it took quite a long time just to get it up and running.

Herman (17:21):

Cause there was all the border block, you know, the you’re closed off rates, so we couldn’t get the materials, you can get the fish, you know, that kind of stuff. So we are growing two types of fish. One is red snapper and one is grouper. And, uh, it’s, it’s, I would say it’s a small to medium size, uh, farm, uh, just off the coast. And, um, something unique about this project is that, uh, the government of loved one, uh, is giving us a lot of support. They want to use this as a marketing tool to kind of promote, uh, agriculture in the area. So, um, there’s going to be grants and incentives and stuff like that in the future. So quite happy, quite happy that we’re finally up and running, you know, it was stressful to just having to wait it out and just coordinate through all the delays and stuff like that. Um, but overall, you know, we, we stuck with it and up and running,

Quazi (18:21):

It must take a lot of patience with all of these projects and, you know, from the sounds of it, you’re like the real deal. You’re the real entrepreneur going out there into like businesses. Did you know anything about fish farming before?

Herman (18:32):

I absolutely had no nothing. Did you know anything about railroads? Nothing, nothing.

Quazi (18:37):

You’re getting into all of these things and you’re just crushing it. I mean, cause like

Herman (18:43):

For me it’s like, um, you know, I I’m an entrepreneur at heart. I don’t want, I don’t have a business where I’m selling a product or anything like that. My it’s more like project-based trading. So it just, there’s not like a, like a monthly salary or, or, you know, something that you would normally experience from like your business, for example. Right, right. So mine’s more like a seasonal Cozad big deal, then it gets like that. Right. So, um, yeah, most of the projects that I, that I’ve gotten into, I really didn’t have much knowledge to begin with. And um, I kinda envisioned my life like that way, way, way back, you know, as I want it to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to be an investor. I kind of vision my life to be an investor, something where I can practice, uh, participate in projects, you know, stuff like that. So I am kind of like living that life, you know, and I kind of, I, I actually made a decision a year ago when I started your program.

Quazi (19:39):

That’s awesome, man. That’s amazing. Hold on. So, um, yeah, what I was going to ask is like, how did you even get the idea of the fish farm and how did you even get the idea of like railroad and how did you even go about making that decision? Cause I’m sure, you know, if it were the normal person, like if it were me, I would just say, no, I’d be like, no, but that’s just me because I’m like, okay, I know what I’m doing. So I’ll just focus on that. You know, a lot of people will just have all these doubts and the doubts will overcome what they actually may be wanted to achieve out of that. Right. So how did you get to the point of making the decision of, okay. You know what, I’ve never done a fish farm before let’s do it. Yeah.

Herman (20:19):

Yeah. That’s a good question. And it’s just looking back, you know, I, I do remember for sure. Um, when I was given the opportunity, uh, I definitely did feel, you know, just like anybody it’s normal, the doubts, you know, because one, I’m not in that business, you know, you always have this, your mind is telling you, Oh, what makes you so good? Like why can’t like, what do you know, how are you going to succeed? You know, what are you going to do? Right. How, how, how so? You know, I obviously had these, uh, limiting beliefs, things that are hitting me, but I was very aware of it at the time. Right. And I knew at that point that, you know, I’m staying fresh in Malaysia, you know what I have to lose. I I’m an entrepreneur. I, I can meet people. I, you know, I kind of drew a plan from down, you know, what I thought I needed to be what I needed to do to get it.

Herman (21:15):

And as I, you know, put pen to paper, it seemed very, very possible. And I also look back at the other projects that I’ve done before, you know, being in similar situations, you know, for example, my first business to gold, I had the same job, you know, but I still went and did it, you know, I, I overcame that fear made the first step and then the rest kind of came after that, you know, so the rest presented itself after, you know, I didn’t have the full blueprint, but the important thing was I had to overcome that fear and just make, just start it, make that first step.

Quazi (21:51):

Oh, so did you, in your lifetime, you’ve basically been involved in three big businesses, right? The precious metals, the railroad and this fish

Herman (22:03):

Plumbing. Yeah. Okay, cool. So

Quazi (22:05):

When you transitioned, by the way, what were you doing in your corporate career? What was your plan?

Herman (22:10):

I was doing, I was doing a supply chain, supply chain logistics [inaudible] right, right. All that stuff.

Quazi (22:19):

Awesome. So, um, what made you decide to like transition from supply chain to trading precious metals? You know, I think this will be very important and like how you did it to people who are like looking to transition out of their, you know, their own corporate careers don’t necessarily want to go the online business route. Right,

Herman (22:38):

Right. Um, so yeah, back then, um, I always do. I gave the, I gave the corporate life a try, you know, cause we condition to do that, you know, after the university to, you know, get a job, you know, something like that. So I try, I tried it, but it was new in my heart. It was not something that I want to do to be in the corporate life, you know, no matter how hard I try, I stuck it out. As long as I could. I did, uh, six years, uh, full-time at a corporate job with Smuckers. That was my only corporate job ever. Right. Um, so I knew I wanted freedom. I wanted to be able to travel. I wanted to, to work on my own terms. You know, I want it to be my own boss. These are the things that really appealed to me.

Herman (23:30):

And so I decided to be, uh, to be an entrepreneur. I didn’t do, I didn’t fully, um, sorry. Um, I didn’t fully, uh, switch over just like that. I actually started the trading job, um, kind of together while doing my full-time job. And then when I felt like my full-time job got to the point, um, that it was okay, this is, this is starting to get really serious now. Like it’s, you know, it’s a lot traction and stuff like that. I made the decision. Okay. I need to focus my business a hundred percent because I can’t do both.

Quazi (24:08):

Right. So you took the,

Herman (24:11):

Uh, I took the leap and quit my job and then immediately went full time into my Dubai business, my very first project. So, um, so at that time, was it scary? Uh, yeah, for sure. There was obviously the fear, you know, like, Oh, you know what, if you fail, you have all these thoughts. Right. But I, I knew what I wanted. I knew I wanted to, I knew I didn’t want to be in the corporate life. I knew, I knew I didn’t want to share. Right. So I went and tried, that’s, let’s do this, this, this is what I do want. Right. Whether it works out, it’s another story, right. At that time I was thinking, yeah. Right.

Quazi (24:53):

Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, even in my journey, I realized like you don’t need to be, you know, like truly passionate about, unless you want to get to revolutionary levels, you don’t need to be truly passionate about the business venture that you’re in. Like this is going to sound very contradictory to what I’m saying. You could just have a desire of, look, I just want to make a little bit of money and just get out of that. That’s still an impedance enough for you to be propelled into action because what we need is this impedance, right? Like I really disliked this. What do I want, I want this freedom, let’s try this out. Let’s see if it works out, I’ll go fully into it. Right. And that’s how I got to the, like the first five to 10 K a month. But then if you want to scale up, really make something revolutionary. Then you’ve got to be all in. You know, you’ve got to have that big vision, but just to start off, I’m not gonna think about all of those things. You know, if you’re just in stage, you’re just going to be thinking about, I just want to get out of my job. I don’t like this.

Herman (25:47):

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, I knew the kind of life that I wanted. Yeah. Right. And I knew the corporate life wasn’t going to give me that. Right. And I knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. You know, it could have been whatever business I wanted to do. It’s just that, that opportunity at the time, the precious metal seemed very appealing to me. You know? Cause I, I had an opportunity to travel to different countries. Uh, I had opportunity to do larger scale deals, you know, trading, um, meet a lot of meet a lot of people, you know, these are all things that really, really were appealing to me. So I, I decided to do that. And you know, I look back, you know, even though I’m in this situation right now with that, uh, lawsuit, uh, I’ve learned a lot. It has been it’s, it’s been a really good journey. You know, I don’t look at my past as bad at all. It’s been one, one growing, you know, learning experience one after another, you know, and if, and if it didn’t, if it doesn’t work out, it’s fine. That’s fine because there’s a lot of opportunities out there. You know, I’ve gained a lot of, uh, life experiences that I know I’m okay. I’ll be okay.

Quazi (26:53):

That’s key. Just having that sort of trust in life. And then going back to the past and reframing all of those things to never look at it in a negative light can influence the future too.

Herman (27:02):

Yeah. So that’s, that’s another thing that’s been really helpful for them as part of the course is because of that back then, I noticed that I would stick to the negative lifeline a lot, keep playing it over and over again. But now it’s like, because I’m more aware of it. Now I switch it up and coordinate. I, I go to the positive, I, I, you know, I look at the positive side of things, you know, so yeah,

Quazi (27:29):

Dude, I’m going to come visit you in Malaysia.

Herman (27:31):

You should definitely, definitely. It’s a great place. If you love to eat, there’s a lot of great food here,

Quazi (27:39):

Multicultural fish farm, and we’re going to have like catch of the day.

Herman (27:43):

They will, I will send you pictures of it. I have my farm right now, so I can say, yeah, yeah. That’s cool.

Quazi (27:50):

So what I’m curious to know as well, Herman is how do you like earn money from that? Like, is it, do you take a percentage of the revenues off their expenses?

Herman (28:00):

Okay. So if it’s the fish farm,

Quazi (28:02):

Let’s talk fish and even the railroad, like

Herman (28:05):

Yeah. So the, okay, so for the fish farm, I, it takes about five months to grow the fish. And um, and then, so, so for the first five months, obviously there’s not going to be any revenue, uh, just be the cost, the salary and the food, you know, the, the operations, right. Uh, after five months, then I could start selling it. And every, uh, every month after that, we started selling as well. So whatever. Uh, so I owned a fish. So when I sell the fish, that will be the, all the profit, uh, will be all the revenue, sorry from, that will be, uh, will be ours, the company’s minus the costs. So yeah. So that will be, that I’ll be so many of your mind,

Quazi (28:46):

Was it your own capital that you had to invest, like all of it or did the government support you?

Herman (28:51):

Uh, so yeah, so we had to, we had to build the farm first and, and start supplying our own by our own first batch of fish. After that, then we can apply to get the grants, which, uh, which would pretty much cover all our future fish supply. Um, baby fish. Sorry. And yeah, it’ll be ours actually. Yeah. Okay.

Quazi (29:17):

So, um, do you have a partner in this business?

Herman (29:22):

I do actually. Uh, well because, uh, because it’s Malaysia a number of technically a foreigner. Uh, I do have a local partner. Yeah. That’s a good friend of mine and, and, uh, obviously speaks the language and, and knows the, uh, actually knows the government, everything. He’s actually been a huge help for me. You know, he’s someone I’ve networked to, I met and we’ve built a great working relationship. We’re actually working together on the railway project as well. And, and, and there’s actually more projects, government related coming down the pipeline. So, uh, it’s, it’s been a good, uh, working relationship actually. Yeah. It’s been really good. You’re

Quazi (30:00):

Really making your imprint in Malaysia.

Herman (30:03):

Yeah. I, I, I I’m focused really just going to be my base. I’m going to make something right.

Quazi (30:09):

It looks like you were making a lot of improvement to release you, to like, if you bring in railroads and stuff, like you’re the main guy facilitating that. And then the fish farms to supplying, you know, agriculture wise, really just making a, make it a revolution. Yeah.

Herman (30:24):

This there’s huge opportunity. There’s a huge potential for big growth for both actually know. And that’s kind of how I looked at it too. You know, I saw, you know, if I can get into the door first, I could see it growing to something bigger down the line. Just have to make that first step and do it.

Quazi (30:44):

Got it. And how about the railroad project? Like how would you earn money from that?

Herman (30:48):

So, yeah. It’s so when, if they win, we’ll get, uh, like you could say like a finder’s fee, a facilitator speed will be a 5% of the actual budget of the entire project. So there’ll be like 10 million. So, so if it was like a two, so if it’s 200 million, so 10% is 20, it will be five, 5 million. No, no, no. Sorry to say 10 minutes, right? Yeah.

Quazi (31:16):

10 million. Yeah. Because 5% of a hundred million. Yeah. So you and your partner would split that 50 50. Okay. Then it would be like 10 million. Yeah. I mean, that’d be 5 million each Nisha. Wow. That’s, that’s pretty big.

Herman (31:32):

So it’s, uh, yeah. So that’s kinda what I’m used to, you know, like with these projects, this like usually a big payoffs, you know, I’m not used to getting like a monthly, like a monthly salary. Yeah. But when I do get the hit, you know, that when it’s usually a considerable sum that I can live for the year or multiple whatever. So it’s quite, quite fortunate. Yeah.

Quazi (31:56):

That takes a lot of like patients to, you know, to be able to persist without pay without anything. Like, I mean, are they supporting you or funding you in any way right now? The railroad project. Okay.

Herman (32:07):

Nope. Nope, no, no. If I win, I have to win. Okay. Yeah. Which is fine. Um, but I mean, I have my other investments, that’s kind of giving me a monthly dividend, so it’s, I’m living up to that. Yeah. I mean, if I have my Dubai business and the trading was going on, then that would provide some kind of salary as well. So yeah. Um, yeah,

Quazi (32:30):

That’s pretty well even doing this, even during this COVID

Herman (32:33):

Time, I thought I would be stressing out, but I’m not, I’m actually not assessing. I’m actually in a really good place. Uh, you know, things are going well, you know, I’m very patient now. I’m actually more patient now than I was a year ago. Patients was never like a thing. No, I was always like, I gotta have it now I’m going to have a nugget. You know what I’ve got to do, what I gotta do. It’s gotta happen now. You know, now just recently just became a dad. How’s that? I shouldn’t say dad life, uh, you know what, that’s awesome, man. I, my daughter just, uh, hit nine months. Wow. She is just seeing her grow from like this small thing to like, she’s so big right now she’s like nine months, but she’s wearing like 12 to 18 months clothing and, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s been great. It’s been, uh, you know, I thought it would be a tough adjustment, you know, you know, being an entrepreneur and now having daddy duties, but it’s actually been pretty smooth, you know, it’s been a very pleasant journey. Yeah.

Quazi (33:38):

Yeah. I’m also curious to know, like, what is a day to day? Like, what does a day in the life, let’s say a regular work day for you look like being a dad as well, being an entrepreneur involved in all of these projects.

Herman (33:49):

Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I like to structure my day, you know, especially, uh, your yearly and monthly and weekly tracker is, uh, very, very helpful, uh, the really reality planner as well. Um, so what does my day like, um, it’s, uh, it’s not like a nine to five obviously, and I don’t have something to sell every day. So it’s like, not every day I’m going to be busy, uh, in the beginning of course, which is what I wanted. Yes. Which is when it went. But I, I had to face the reality that, you know, it’s, it’s, I’m not always going to be busy and I shouldn’t have to force myself or try to be busy. Right. So, um, I, I wake up pretty early, you know, five 30. I like to wake up before six, you know, and do my morning routine. My morning routine is actually very important for me, kind of sets the tone for the day.

Herman (34:42):

And what does that entail? Uh, you know, I wake up, I take a cold shower right away. It’s a great way to wake up, especially if you’re tired, whatever. Uh, I like to do my breath work exercise. I can get the women off, uh, meditation and give him a stretching and then I can go hit the gym, all get that done in the morning. Uh, also my, my reality planner as well, and my, uh, my, um, visualization as well or that kind of stuff. So that’s my morning routine, right? Yeah. The mustard guide. Yeah. And after I’d done all that, I usually have my, my five point things to do the, this and my two things. I always like to focus on the business. So whether it’s my projects, meetings, stuff like that, I usually schedule those in, those are my top two things. And then the other three, usually I like to work on.

Herman (35:38):

So I like to read, uh, I like to read, I like to journal, uh, and maybe if I wanted, if I wanted to include like another meditation, you know, to kind of clear my mind. So, yeah. And then, um, usually by early or disrupted lunch, I’m usually pretty, uh, flexible and free. Um, unless I had meetings of course. Right. And I like to dedicate that time to my family, uh, to my daughter. So I take an interrupted time and then usually at nighttime around six o’clock, uh, then I have to, uh, set working on my other business might do by business. So my other partners are in, uh, Canada and Dubai. So I work in that time, so. Gotcha. So, yeah, so I’m always, uh, usually during the day I’m quite flexible. So I’m usually working in the mornings and nighttime and then yeah, during the day I’m usually, uh, it’s Isabella time, my daughter.

Quazi (36:39):

Nice. That’s awesome, man. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine like, you must be waking up a lot in the middle of the night, like for your daughter.

Herman (36:46):

Yeah, yeah. Even, even right now, she, she moves a lot, you know, she knows sleep sideways, you know, she sleeps between me and my wife. And then for some reason she’s just sideways. Her head is in my back and her feet is like kicking my wife’s back, separate caught. Uh, we used to, but my wife’s really attached. She, she

Quazi (37:12):

I’d get scared of crushing, like my daughter, like if I’m asleep and I’m too spread out or something, you have a big enough bed, I guess. It’s fine.

Herman (37:20):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that’s, yeah. How about you? I mean, are you a fan of kids sooner?

Quazi (37:29):

Maybe, maybe, uh, maybe my thirties still got a, got a ways to go, you know, not, not in any rush

Herman (37:36):

Because honestly there’s no rush. There’s no rush, you know? I mean, I have, I mean, I’m 30, 20, 37, so quite a slight late.

Quazi (37:46):

So you had your daughter when you’re 36, basically,

Herman (37:49):

Right? Yeah.

Quazi (37:51):

36 35. Yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s a pretty good age. I would love to do that, but my wife kind of like once kids a little bit earlier, like 28, 27, I’m like, I don’t know. Let’s see if the time comes, you know, if everything’s good, we’re all set. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome, man. Yeah. I was just curious to know then, um, we’ve discussed quite a lot, but it’s been inspiring to see your growth as well. I can even tell in your demeanor that you’re a lot more calm, a lot more peace, you know, which is awesome to see that is like change, you know, like it, none of the external things really matter if you have a ton of money, but you can enjoy it. And you’re always worried about losing it. What’s the point, you know, as opposed to, if you come from a peaceful interstate and you just, you know, approach from that place of being

Herman (38:37):

Yeah. Would you say this, this, this entire journey? Um, honestly it was, uh, it was Def I do not regret one a bit, you know, making that decision to take that call with you, you know, it’s been, uh, it’s definitely been a life changer for me. And, uh, I know the tools that I’ve, I’ve learned are going to continue to use for the rest of my life. You know, I’m always using it, you know? So it’s been, it’s been great.

Quazi (39:06):

Amazing then, Hey, you were diligent with it. You did the work, you had the motive and now you’re reaping, reaping the rewards a bit. You know, that’s all I can say

Herman (39:14):

According to. Yes. You have to make sure you, you do the work, uh, because if you don’t, you’re just wasting your time and also really changing your mindset and your beliefs about yourself. And that’s pretty much been this course changing the way I feel about myself and who I am. Yeah.

Quazi (39:33):

It’s amazing, man. So what’s next for you? What’s uh, let’s talk about what’s in the next five years, 10 years. A big plan, a big goal.

Herman (39:42):

Yeah. Um, so aside from the projects that I’m doing right now, you know, I see myself, um, really building a, you know, it’s funny to say, I don’t know why it’s cheesy to say, but, uh, you know, my wife and I have a dream to build an empire together here together, you know, I think you’re well on the way to doing that. She has a very successful business, you know, and, and I want to do well in Malaysia. So the next five years, um, maybe get a bigger house, um, have another help, another kid. Um, so yeah, I think those are the main ones, but, uh, yeah. Yeah. I, I, in the next five years I see myself and my wife, you know, also doing more charity stuff as well. You know, we’ve actually started to do that right now. I’m quite passionate about helping others. So that’s, uh, we’ll see where that takes us, but that’s, I think we’ve had this conversation before. I kind of see myself when I hit my forties to be somewhat of a, a mentor as well, um, to kind of share my life experiences and whether that’s going to be entrepreneurial stuff or spiritual stuff, you know, these are things that I I’m really starting to feel like I’m passionate about. So yeah.

Quazi (41:06):

Herman, this has been an amazing interview, dude. Thank you so much. It’s like really late. I know probably past your bedtime if you’re waking up at five, right?

Herman (41:12):

No worries. No worries. Anything for you? Anything for you? You’ve been a huge impact for me, so whatever I can do. No, thank you so much.

Quazi (41:20):

Yeah, guys, I hope you enjoyed this hope. This was valuable. Leave us a comment. Let us know what you thought about it. I’m going to attach home and socials and the pin comments. So, uh, yeah. Give them a check.

Herman (41:29):

I’ve I’ve just, I’ve just made my IgE public so you guys can visit it. Oh, nice.

Quazi (41:34):

I’ll do the handle. And like maybe your website or email or anything else, you know, for inquiries,

Herman (41:40):

But yeah, for sure. For sure. Anything

Quazi (41:42):

Else today, before we conclude any last bits of wisdom advice you’d give,

Herman (41:49):

Oh wow. That’s put in a slot.

Quazi (41:51):


Herman (41:54):

No, no, no, no. Cause like usually if you see my, my IgE, I always like to leave posts and stuff. No, I dunno. Right now it’s like, I just drew a blank, but if I have to have to say something right now, okay. One thing that has stuck to me a lot, you know, even cause I’ve learned it from you and what you made me realize is that your outer reality is a reflection of your inner world. So always be aware of the things that you’re saying. You’re telling yourself, your mindset and your beliefs. If you want to change what you’re experiencing, your environment, your reality and the change has to start from within yourself and how you view yourself.

Quazi (42:38):

Amazing man. And 100% true. Yeah. But yeah, that’s all for today guys, till next time.

Herman (42:47):

Thank you.

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