In this interview Nour shares his experience as a young entrepreneur who quickly grew his business from 2k/m to doing 20k/m in 10 months after joining Reality Mastery.
This is probably one of my favorite interviews, and I had a blast speaking with this young man, whose commitment to himself has shone throughout.
Make sure you give this your full attention as we uncover the depths of his mindset, and the crucial changes that needed to happen that moved him from identifying
as a “15 year old kid who should not be an entrepreneur”
to a “15 year old leader serving his clients”
Here’s what we discuss:
– Why he decided to become an entrepreneur at such a young age
– The biggest identity barrier he had + how he overcame it
– Nour’s policy on investing in himself
– The biggest struggles that shook his internal world
– Nour’s biggest epiphany from working with us in Reality Mastery
– Why most people fail at entrepreneurship
– Courses & programs – how to make the most out of each
– The power of your decision & how Nour makes his
– Eliminating procrastination and the “excuses”
– What’s next for Nour
Hope this interview was helpful! Leave me a comment with your thoughts?
Hi guys, welcome to this new client interview today. I’m so excited. We have, nor nor started with us 10 months ago when he was 15 years old. Now he’s 16. And when you started, I remember you were at, like, you basically just started up your business and what was the revenue number you were at? Just so we have it right? Two K two K a month, right? You were at two K a month. So if I got it right, you run an agency where you help HVAC owners get more clients advertise to get more clients, right? Yeah, exactly. And you’d basically almost just started your business and you’ve tried a lot of different things, but you know, you, you saw that maybe the problem was actually internal, not external and the external tactics and strategies weren’t sticking. Right. Because internally you weren’t at the right place to receive them. And now how much are you making per month? 10 months later. That’s when you, so you went from two K a month to 20 K a month at 15, 16 years old, dude. That is insane. That’s insane. That’s really insane. Um, yeah. So I’ll just hand it over to you a little bit, you know, uh, if there’s anything I forgot to fill up, I would like to ask you before, you know, you even encountered reality mastery, how did you even come across it and why did you make the decision to come into it?
Hmm that’s that’s a really good question. Um, dude, I, I don’t know. I just fell in love with your videos. I think, uh, that’s when it first started. Um, I always had a problem when I, when I first started up the agency, uh, because I was so young. Um, my, my, I had a high pitch tone. I don’t know if I still ha I probably still have a high pitched tone. Um, but dude, I, my identity, wasn’t where I wanted it to be. It wasn’t, and I didn’t know it at the time, but my identity, I don’t even know how I got to two K a month. Um, and so I guess the way I got across and I found you was just on your YouTube videos, just got indoctrinated in them. I got 12 point and I’m at the point now where I don’t even look at your titles or your thumbnail.
I just noticed that you put out a new video and I would watch it to the full till the end, and always have literally like no pads taking notes on it. And then I would always hear you talking about this reality mastery program. And I was like, dude, it was like, uh, I was very new to the, to the space. Um, and so I just, I just wanted to explore what it looks like. I went on the website, uh, bro, I just got, I just fell in love with it. I was like, Holy, this is his free stuff. And he’s literally laying it out. Like by week by week, like action plans. It’s going to take me to the next level. And um, just your copy, like what talking about you, you see so many every day you get hit by three ads, people showing you the newest techniques or the newest tricks to attract clients and they’re all external.
Um, and for anyone that’s really deep into spirituality, I, I got really deep into it. Um, but basically if your internals messed up, like it’s your external doesn’t matter, no matter what you do. And that’s, I think I might be going on a rant here and I’m saying too much, but I think what’s going on is, um, the reason you see a lot of this happens with every program. There’s not one program out there that doesn’t have this where they literally everyone that goes in it does the same exact thing they’ve taught the same exact thing. They’re support there. They’re being supported in the same exact manner. And then the people that come out of the program have two complete different results. One guy leaves a bad review saying it’s a scam. The other one’s a millionaire. And I think it’s always going to fall down to the internal. I think that’s really what I wanted and piqued my interest because I knew, especially at the stage I was, which was my identity was a 15 year old kid in a small town.
I want to ask you about that. You said your identity wasn’t in the right place. What do you mean by that? Like where did you think it should have been versus where was it?
Um, do it, it’s like it, I think basically just knowing that I’m a 15 year old kid, the bubble I lived in were three close friends. And then as COVID hit, bro, it got narrowed to like two or one close friend. Yeah. Like now it’s down to one close friend. Um, and so I was living in this really small bubble and I was identifying myself as just that 15 year old kid. So whenever I would have to do stuff in my business, a fi I would also identify with thoughts and Oh my God. But basically a thought would come up and say, come on, you’re a 15 year old kid, you have to play three hours a day of PS4. And then I would get on PS4 and then sit on the PS4 for five hours just because I’m supposed to do that because of my identity. Cause that’s what a 15 year-old kid does and I’m a 15 year old kid. Uh, so that’s what I mean when I say that identity,
An interesting thing that happened when he joined the program, was you, uh, towards the end of it, I think you just posted a picture of a smashed up PlayStation. Yeah. And you’re like, this has to go. Yeah. So I want to know, like, what was your journey like, like why was you, you know, cause I think you battled a lot with distractions like PlayStation and you saw, you started to make the realization that these distractions aren’t going to support my journey into entrepreneurship. So I want to know a little bit about the journey, that realization, how that actually came about how you battled with it. Because I think a lot of people go through these distractions, whether it be playing video games, excessively, whether it be drinking, you know, whether it be any other habit that they fall into. What was that journey like for you and how did you overcome it,
Bro? Um, I would, I would play video games all day long and looking back at it after knowing the dopamine stuff, dude, I was addicted to it. Um, there wouldn’t be one day I wouldn’t play. I would feel weird if I didn’t play video games. Um, I was, I think I was very attached to it, but basically what ended up happening was, and I think this is to everyone, a lot of people that join reality master in this same position, like people know what they need to do to get to where they want. Um, like I knew what I needed to do, how much time it was gonna take to get where I wanted now are those things, the best things as possible? Probably not. But at least I knew what I needed to do. But what was happening was all these distractions, all these video games, uh, all these hanging out with friends, they were taking away from that. If that makes sense. So I feel like, you know what you need to do, but your identity is not matched to who you need. But I think something you were saying in the program, I think week one is, um, basically to get to where you want. Right. You have to be the person that has that thing or something. I don’t know how to explain, but I think, you know, what I’m trying to say is your identity has to match what you want
For sure. So how did you get to the point where you made the decision to say, you know, this PlayStation, I’m just going to get rid of it.
There was a little, there was a little bit of a lot of reasons. Of course mainly it was, I, I was, it was distracting me from my word. So people call me crazy still to this day for smashing it and not selling it for another 200 bucks. But bro, I remember, uh, I don’t know if this is too much, like what I’m about to say, but like I remember, uh, something you share is to, um, remove something from your current self. So you’re able to have like that identity 2.0 and you literally destroy it. I know you said someone in the program cut like a hundred dollar bill. Um, you got short, you cut your hair from long, you can made it shorter. So I feel like I needed something like that. And the, the most logical one was meshing the PS4. So I went from nor with the PS4 to 2.0 with that. Okay. And that, that week I signed three or four more clients the week that I smashed my penis for, I signed three or four clients.
Now, if people took that really literally they would just start buying PlayStations and start smashing it to get more clients.
But it’s not a good idea.
Yeah. It’s the intention behind that. Right. So, okay. Let’s, let’s backtrack to why you joined the program in the first place as a 15 year old. What was even your motivation to start up a business? Why did you want to become an entrepreneur?
I don’t know, bro. Looking back at it. My name is the word entrepreneur. Um, but I think, um, what’s, I don’t, I don’t even know, man. I don’t know. I think the Facebook pixel algorithm worked in my favor because I had no intention. I always, I think this is with every kid, every kid wants and wants to feel independent. Um, so since like the age of 11 or 12, I always wanted, like I was a newspaper boy. I, uh, I was making 300 bucks a month, bro. That was a lot of money. And I was paying my phone bills with that. I was paying the occasional grocery stores with my Apple pay, feeling like an absolute boss. And once I got a taste of the, I just wanted that on different levels. Um, so I’m genuinely trying to think. I, uh, I think a big factor.
So I say I started an agency before this one that I’m currently running. Got it. And that one, I basically, the way I got into entrepreneurship to put it in a nutshell is I wanted more of a, that taste of being an individual, able to support myself. Then once that was fulfilled, I wanted to be able to support my family. I don’t, I genuinely don’t know why I had that. Like I have that at a young age. Um, but I just always liked, it was, uh, it was always something that I wanted. Like just, I, it was very satisfying to me. It fulfilled me being able to know that I’m able to support myself and, and then some like just support my family. So I think that’s what got me into entrepreneurship. And also I never, um, I never liked the idea of having a job found makes sense, or going to school for four or five years to make like, I don’t know, bro.
I just didn’t. I D I never liked that idea. And, um, and what you see is what I see genuinely is a lot of people end up that become successful entrepreneurs and say they never wanted to work a job. They didn’t like school or whatever. Most of the time they were D students and they, they never were good at school. I was like, I don’t know how this was with you too. Actually, you were, you were extremely good at school. Yeah. He’s just still favored, I guess, entrepreneurship. So, um, yeah, basically how I got into entrepreneurship. I think I went on a rant. There was, I just loved that taste of being an individual on my own and being able to support and actually make an impact with something.
You got it. So how long were you in entrepreneurship with like, you know, building an agency and everything before joining reality Marshall before that? June of last year?
Well, here’s what happened. I, um, I ended up joining the course that taught me to how to is two and a half months before I joined three ADI mastery. Okay. So what ended up happening? And this is crazy, cause I’m looking at it’s a lot, I’m doing all the taxes and stuff. So I’m, I know what all these investments and what date they are. The day I signed, my first client is the day I paid to get into reality mastery.
I remember that because you were waiting for money to come into your Stripe account and you had to wait the seven days because the first time you receive a payment, it’s like you have to wait seven days for it.
Exactly, exactly. So I, uh, I, I’m very grateful for the position I am. Um, and what I mean by that is I don’t have any rental thing. I don’t have any kids to feed. So since I’ve started, I’ve been able to, every dollar that comes into my account has been invested into myself. Um, literally I don’t know if this is too much as well. I last year, um, I actually was negative 2000 in terms of the income and expenses. And the reason for that, literally every dollar that came in was reinvested.
That’s interesting. Yeah. So a lot of people are actually averse to like investing money cause they like hold onto it. You know, when you get into the nine to five mindset, I know I was in there, like when you’re working a full-time job, like every money you get, you like start to hoard it. How do you think not having how, you know, having that opposite mindset where you just like take a leap on yourself and you keep investing, how do you think that’s affected your or at least kept the flow of money coming in? That’s ultimately led you to 20 K a month?
Hmm. Yeah. Well, I would say it’s just, um, there’s no, and I think you could agree with me on this too, is like 20% of all those courses that I joined actually made an impact. It was you and like a couple other like technical, how to step into this type of stuff. For sure. And I’m talking like income and expenses. They’re not just like a couple like 30,000, I’m talking hundreds, like in the a hundred thousand ranges and I still landed negative 2000.
So what do you mean a hundred thousand ranges? Like you invested a hundred thousand in years.
Yeah. So go into specifics. Income was until December mid, December of 2020 from, from when I started, which was may like late may. So late may until the mid December, uh, income was 113,000 and expenses were 115,000. Yeah. So that’s literally, I’ve reinvested 115,000 into myself with programs, courses, a little bit of ad spend in there. Um, but that’s, that’s literally what my situation is right now. Or every dollar that’s coming is literally be being reinvested. That’s very, very interesting. Yeah. So you’re not afraid to,
You know, spend money on yourself and invest in yourself. And an interesting point that you sort of noted is that not every investment yields, a direct result, right. It doesn’t yield a direct monetary result, but rather the lessons that you learned from that investment sometimes helps you go into that next investment and not turn you off to it. So for example, you know, maybe you go into a program and you realize that, wait a second, you know, I took one piece of this. Maybe you go into a program and you realize you need another one. You know, someone recommends something that helped them, you know, you connect with someone, right. And you go and you’re like, okay, maybe I need this other one. So instead of being closed off to it, you actually just go ahead and invest in the other one too. So sometimes I’ve done this where I don’t even hesitate to invest. Right. I’m just like, Oh, okay, well it looks like I might also need this one alongside this. Just like you realize you needed to do the mindset work alongside the agency work. Right. And that’s what actually helped you. So your strategy isn’t like invest in this and get a direct result from this, but actually optimize for anything that’ll allow you to get to that goal.
Yeah. Does that make sense? Whereas there is never anything I ever did, especially after the mindset training reality mastery, since I joined reality mastery and the way I was able to mold my mind, I’ve never lost yet. And I can’t lose because of the coordination. Right. I literally can’t lose. Um, and then I’ve had I’m sure any entrepreneur at any level has had so many like periods where it was like negative events. Um, but you’re able to view those as literally without the best thing that ever happened to you.
And that’s exactly what happens. Right. You just learn the lessons from it. That’s what this journey of entrepreneurship is.
Exactly. And to add on to what you were saying, those programs that didn’t directly make me money back, like you were saying, like I still learned lessons from them. I, it still was one of the best things that have happened to me.
That’s that’s really important. I mean, the first time I ever bought a myself, it wasn’t even like the program itself that made the biggest impact. The biggest impact for me was just making the decision to invest this much in myself, you know, because I’ve never done that before. I’ve never invested like, you know, three, three, five grand in myself before. So that’s when you do that, that’s like opens up a new possibility for you. And it just like affirms to yourself that wait a second, this person is actually valuable enough to be invested in. So yeah, that’s, that’s a very powerful realization there. So I want to go back to that point where you’re talking about coordination and, um, kind of want to ask you what, what was the biggest thing that you took away from the program that really helped you
Every, I think, um, everything’s very, uh, everything comes down to perception and how you perceive things and, uh, the type of frame that you think through. Um, I really like your analogy, the frame, the glasses, the glasses you look through. Um, but really what stood out to me and what I really took out of the program. And what’s really, really amazing too, is like, everything’s always going to come down to principles and once you get down the principles, then the techniques don’t matter. So what you see with a lot of programs, like programs that I’m in right now, like people and the actual creators of those programs every two years or three years, if they don’t do this, which is they have to always revamp the modules and the content within them, you have to make new ones. So they’re not outdated. And the people that don’t do that, that have those programs that are making those outdated modules, new ones, they’re the people that are in the programs and are paying for it, just leave with this appointment and no results. But with the mindset stuff that you’re teaching, you’re, you’re always bringing it back down to principals. So you don’t have to make new modules every day. Cause they’re not, they’re not ever going to be outdated. If that makes sense. It’s always,
Yeah. It’s, it’s interesting. You point that out too. I’m actually in the process of like maybe adding and creating like a version two of the program. So, you know, I want to make it even better than what it is, even though it, like, people are getting great results. So sometimes people ask me like, why do you want to improve it? It’s already great, but it can be even better, you know? But yeah. It’s like, you’re right about that because I’ve made it, I’ve always thought like longer term, right? Like about the deeper principles, because the techniques always STEM out of principles, right? It’s like a pickup line versus being an attractive person. Like if you want to get the goat, you just become attractive a pickup line. Won’t do anything for you. Kind of like in sales, if you understand how to conduct yourself and what to focus on, you don’t have to like, you know, do some gimmicky line, like, you know, do some tactics, some sales NLP tactic to get the sale. Right. You have to come from a place of service and focus on their problems and solving those. Right. So I think a lot of people don’t really focus on that and that’s why they keep having to change things up over and over again, once like a technique or a niche or a, or a, you know, way a strategy of doing things become saturated in the market.
Yeah, exactly. Um, Hmm. Do I really want it to mention something and I want to make sure I say before we move on and I forget, but something that really, really helped me as well is I’m just directing my focus and energy to one thing. Um, and what I mean by that is a very, very simple example is the first call you and I had when I was interested in even jumping into reality mastery. And I think, um, I, no one ever done this before, by the way, which is, as we were going through, like, as we were talking and you were explaining a little bit of reality mastery, and I think you’ll remember this. I was literally kicking my soccer ball across the wall and doing like, like a soccer drill, as we were talking about reality mastery, the thing that’s gonna change the course of my career, I was playing soccer during, we were talking like, looking back at this, it’s just like, that’s such a example, but gratefully, you, you called me out on it, which no one has ever done.
And, uh, and after that I was able to completely direct my focus. Everything was so clear about the program. And I, I, we ended up making a decision on the call. Um, but something like an example like that, where it was like, I was almost multitasking. And it sounds so funny and silly giving you that example, but that’s literally what’s happening to everyone doing literally anything is there, like multi-tasking it or half fasting it. Um, and, uh, centering my attention, which is something you’ll learn in reality. Mastery has also changed the game by a lot.
It’s very interesting. I never realized that that that’s what happened and that I called you out on it.
Yeah. I don’t think you probably don’t remember, but dude, I was literally kicking a soccer ball and you’re like, Hey, no, uh, sorry. I’m just, it was like, I’m doing an accent. Are you with me? Like, are you giving me your full attention, something across those lines? And bro, I was like, yo man, I apologize. And I put the soccer ball to the side and I sat down and I really focused. Um, and it was like a big lesson ever since every call I get on my full focus has been on it. So that’s something else that I learned. But bro, like at the end of the day, man, it’s, it’s helped me a ton in terms of mindset internal. Um, and yeah, dude, it’s also saved me from shiny object syndrome. That’s that’s another 30 grand. It saved me from what do you mean? Just, uh, understanding that like shiny object syndromes and extra external techniques compared to like making sure your internal self and your identity are optimized. Like I don’t care about shiny objects anymore.
Why did it save you from another 30 grand? I’m curious to know,
Oh girl, do you know how many shiny object syndrome type of ads like every day everyone gets? Yeah. So yeah, it’s, uh, it’s definitely helped a ton on that aspect.
So going back to coordination, let’s talk about some of the challenges that you’ve had, some of the big challenges that you’ve had and how you coordinated through those. What would you say those would be and you know, how did you overcome them? I would love to hear some examples. I think it would be really relatable to the people like entrepreneurs listening in.
Yeah. So I’ve had soul postal, many types of coordinations and I was telling you this over messenger, I would have gone crazy by now without the coordination method. Um, it goes literally from periods of, I was getting on zero calls to periods where I was getting on so many calls, not closing anyone to five disputes hitting me at once to like dude, like it got it. Basically everything that has ever happened. Let me give you an example of where like with, um, with, when I wasn’t getting any results with the types of techniques I was doing on how it was generating calls from my agency. Like it, it got to periods where like the whole month, uh, it was very slow and I didn’t sign on anyone. I didn’t book as many calls as I would’ve liked. It came down to what can I learn from this? How could I improve? Um, and every time I end the, I end the session of figuring out what I could learn from this too. Holy. It’s literally the best thing that has ever happened to me. So I don’t know how, uh, how much in detail you want me to go into like a specific example, what I learned from it and how I coordinate. Do you want me
Yeah, let’s talk about, you know, an example of maybe let’s because I think one of the times we talked, you were like, yeah, you know, a couple months ago I got hit with like a, like a 11 K dispute or something like that, how you overcame that because now you’re doing really well. And you know, you told me that you actually learned from that lesson instead of letting it defeat you. So I’m curious to know how that happened. You know, what tools from the program you use that you found were valuable in doing that?
Yeah, that makes sense. So definitely the coordination, um, for those disputes that ended up happening. Number one, I w I’ve dialed in my fulfillment now. So we haven’t had a dispute in a while now, which is really good. Um, but really the second part is, um, I’ve, I’ve always taken after the program. It was like, everything is your responsibility. I remember the module, you were asking three questions. One of them that really stood out to me was like you walk in and you see someone dying on the floor. Are you responsible for that person dying? And then everyone’s, everyone’s answer to that is no, I’m not responsible for that. And then it’s like, responsibility actually means like, are you in control? Like, are you able to do something about that? Some were across those lines. Um, but what I mean by that is I took full responsibility of this, those disputes and like, said to myself, how could next time around? I could avoid something like that. How could I not have that happen? Boom, fine tune my fulfillment. Now my clients are seeing insane results. Uh, number
Two. So that was a blessing in disguise for you.
Exactly. It was a blessing in disguise because now what’s happening is every client that signs on is a client success interview or a client success case study are getting results. They’re staying on for way longer than I ever experienced people staying on with me, they’re referring way more people to me. So it was a blessing in disguise.
Very, very interesting. Yeah.
And that wasn’t even the main part of that. The second part was, um, for example, like a dispute, the most recent one that happened where it was like, there was the, like the last one that happened was a 6k one. Um, and it was almost a wake-up call. I feel like I got very complacent at that point in time because I was at like 15 K a month and I was like, again, like it, I just got complacent. Um, I really have no excuses about it. I, I just got to a point where I got lazy and I got complacent and then the dispute hits and now like every, like now I have six K to pay up. Um, so that week I ended up signing three clients. Like I, I busted, I busted my, I got into the aggression type of energy. Um, and I made the 6k back and then some, um, which I panicked from, like the one it happened, I was panicking. I, then I sat down, how could I learn from this Dem where you’ve been complacent? Like if you haven’t been doing what you’re supposed to be doing, like the 6k shouldn’t even affect it shouldn’t affect you at all. Um, and anyways, I ended up learning from that stop being complacent, got back to all my stuff. And, uh, it was, it was basically two blessing in disguise.
This is so interesting because what I’m seeing in you now is you’ve gone from a place of feeling like a victim, right? Where you were a 15 year old, shouldn’t be doing this 15 year olds should be playing PlayStation. Yeah. Now taking full responsibility for all of these like big clients that you have, you know, a 15, 16 year old providing services to these, you know, big companies and, you know, helping them do better business and, you know, scale up their companies and all of these events that are happening that normal people would even get shaken by. But you’ve cultivated this like solid internal foundation where you no longer let it touch you. Of course, like everyone has times where they fall, but then you learn to catch yourself up so quick, this kind of mindset. It’s very rare to find in people, especially, you know, people who are really young, but you know, I’m actually super excited. The prospect of what’s what’s going to happen in the years to come, you know, when, when you have this unshakeable foundation, because I think people just spend their whole lives trying to cultivate something like that. And even then it’s difficult. It’s easy to fall into the traps of, and the thoughts and the emotions that come up and get lost in them. But somehow you’ve found a way to keep yourself centered within them. So apart from coordination now, what would you say maybe you took away from the program that kind of helped you develop this,
Um, develop like that mindset? I would, I would just say it’s always going to come down to identity. So I still had that identity of a 15 year old kid. And although all these events have happened, happened again, I would have just reverted back, um, and felt a lot of comfort and just saying, man, I shouldn’t be dealing with this. If anything, let me just take a break for the next couple of years and I’ll come back even stronger when I’m 19 or 20, that’s when I should be in business. That’s that’s the society norm. Um, and do it, there’s so much comfort in that. There’s so much comfort in that
There is you don’t have to do this, no one expects you to do this. So it’s insane how you’re doing it. You know, like it’s insane how you keep pushing yourself past all of these barriers and like all of these like traps of Aw, you know, I could just be comfortable here.
Yeah. And so I would just say, do the identity the way you’re, you’re able, um, to take what I want and my goals and mold it into that and find who I need to become, find that identity and then mold that identity to my current character, the way the whole program lays it out. It’s it’s like, dude, it’s genius and not, and you know, this too, this whatever, like all, all the, like the principles that you teach in the program, it doesn’t just apply to people that are business owners. Like bro, literally if whatever goal you have, let’s say you want to be a musician or something like that. It doesn’t have to really just be specifically like a business owner again, because it’s coming down to principles and not actual techniques that become outdated it’s applicable. So I feel will also really helped with that as me being taken out of that 15 year old kid, 16 year old kid identity and being placed into an agency owner, that’s making 20 K a month. Once I shifted into that role, it was game over.
Wow. That’s, that’s insane. That’s honestly like that transformation to me is insane because it’s really easy to get lost in the money and like what result, what result, what result, but not focusing on the thing that gets you, these results, like you said, the external doesn’t matter if the internal is not in the right place, you’ve got to work on that first. So you mentioned something interesting and how the program lays this out. Well, and this is also interesting for me to learn, to make it even better and like do more of what is working. So I wanted to ask you, and I think a lot of people have this objection, like in terms of at least mindset programs, they’ve seen so much mindset stuff. They’ve read so many books and I’m sure you have to, you know, you’ve probably been approached by other people who’ve tried to sell you mindset stuff. So from going through reality, Marsha versus the free stuff I provide and the free stuff that’s out there, what’s, what’s the difference.
Um, I would say, uh, so if I think the way you’re able to have us implement it and go through it is it’s like, you can actually understand it. So with anything that I do, especially the program that I ended up joining before, before this one, but like the ha the, how to, I always been that person to watch like five of these interviews before getting on the phone. So I think, uh, when I was listening to those interviews and people just like, I am bringing these stuff up right now, like these sounds so complicated, man. There’s so many, like some, some were even big words. I don’t know if I spit any big words today, but I remember in those interviews, bro, I think it’s just because of how young I was and how I just didn’t know stuff, bro. I didn’t understand a word that, that, like anyone was saying.
And so an objection that I had was like, Holy, like, Holy. Um, I don’t know if I’m able to, but basically I was just, um, I was like, am I even going to understand this? Am I going to be able to actually implement this? Um, and do it again. The identity came in like whole, like I’m a 15 year old kid, I’m actually going to even understand that. Um, and so you see, even in some free and other for YouTube videos that you watch that are talking about stuff you talk, um, I don’t think they put that time and energy into being able to say, okay, if I’m trying to teach this, what’s the best way that they could understand it so they could actually implement it. So I think the way the program’s laid out is so easy to understand it’s chunked down.
Uh, my favorite part, which wasn’t my favorite part when it actually was, when I was in that situation is you lock, you literally lock the, so I can’t like I can’t finish week one and then jumped right into week two. You’re like, no, you learn what’s in week one and you get the next seven days to implement it and focus on it. And once that’s dialed in and week two is unlocked, then you can move onto the next piece. I think what what’s really good with, uh, with reality mastery is the way you’re, um, you, you almost forced upon actually chunking it down and actually implementing it and being able to see the results instead of it being some kind of like entertainment, knowledge, gaining thing, it’s actually like implement that. You’re able to implement it and actually dial it in.
Yeah. It’s so interesting. You mentioned that because like all of those things were deliberate. Like we have people who ask us to unlock it, but we just don’t have the option to unlock it. Because like in the portal, how it’s designed is you can either, do you know that drip, that seven day drip for everyone, or you can just unlock it for, for everyone. Right? So the reason why we wanted to, I wanted to make a drip is because I know people would just like, come in and slip it, try to slip it like it’s entertainment and not actually implemented. Yeah. Right. So the whole thing about this program is isn’t about doing some technique. It isn’t about doing, doing, doing it’s actually about being, which no one shows you how to be. And part of being is making those realizations, right? Like you made the realization that, wait a second, you can look at it and see I’m operating from this limiting place of this 15 year old. Um, these excuses arise because there’s an operation from this that the lens is I am this 15 year old kid and I don’t feel the need to do any of these things. That’s why you procrastinated on your business and you didn’t feel the drive to like work on it until you made the actual decision. I don’t even think like, honestly speaking, I don’t think it was the act of destroying the PlayStation, but what that symbolized, you know, what that decision symbolized for you.
Yeah, yeah. Hmm. Uh, for sure, because, um, I was justifying all those hours wasted on I’m a 15 year old kid. I’m supposed to be playing PlayStation right now. Right. You just rewrote that story. Yeah, exactly. So it’s, it’s all symbolic. I think it’s all symbolic. Just like, I don’t think if anyone’s watching this, that has long hair, it needs to cut it short. I think it’s just a symbolic. Um, so I think, I think I, uh, I just realized something, I don’t know how important it is in the interview, but I just want to say how grateful I am for you doing the drip sequence and for whoever invented that drip sequence in the Kajabi or wherever the courses props to you. Like, I don’t think I would have actually implemented it or actually understood it without the drip. So yeah. I just wanted to share that aspect.
It’s all a part of it, right? Like the community is a huge part of it. You getting in the community, communicating with other people, making some friends. Um, the program is a part of it coming on the Q and a calls, which you’ve come on a lot. I remember like, you know, you were coming on at one point every single one of them and just asking questions, getting feedback, correcting yourself, understanding the system until you’ve fully crossed the system. Even the investment is a part of it, right. Because that’s what I needed to help me commit. Cause people who don’t invest, like if you probably got this for free, you’d be like, ah, I don’t need to do this. It’s not valuable. You wouldn’t value it as much.
That’s something very interesting. I want to touch on. Um, I remember you mentioned it in the actual program itself and then like what week four or something, and you were talking about how you gave it, I believe to your mom, the course, and then you didn’t charge her for it. And at the time, I don’t know, you ended up retouching it about the course of your mom, but at that time it wasn’t taken very serious. The program wasn’t taking very seriously because there wasn’t any investment in it. So I resonated with them and then seven months later, it’s like, I did the same thing with someone else. And for all they did it, I didn’t targe them or close family friend. And bro, I don’t know if it, the, again, it’s just, I needed that experience to really like I resonated with it. But bro, after that experience, you really understand it. And it’s, it’s such a weird funnel
Because the investment isn’t really for you, like yeah, sure. It makes you money. But at the end of the day, the investment is more important for the person coming in because that’s SIM that’s again a symbol, you know, that that transaction is a symbol. It needs to happen. I gave it for free to my wife. I gave it for free to my mum. None of them really did it,
You know? Yeah. But dude, uh, I, um, I really resonated with that. And so, um, I think any investment you make is beneficial. No matter, obviously it sucks. If you put a bunch of money in like I’ve done to certain programs and you get
It, doesn’t suck because you learn the lesson from it and you’re here today.
No, yeah. That’s what I’m saying. Like initially I was that whatever I invested in come back and directly, I gain so much from it. So do that, that, that there’s so many principles we just touched on that are absolute gems. This, this should go for like 49 bucks. Just do it as like a master class for the amount of
Sure. Um. So I remember this was your goal. There’s 20 K a month was actually your goal. If I remember correctly, when you came in, but then you were resetting it, you were like, I want to get to 80 K a month. So from here on out, you know, what is the, how do you, how do you, how does your family feel and how do you, how does your dad feel? How does your mom feel,
Bro? Everything’s the same man. Trust me. Everything’s the exact same really? Yeah.
Feel that you’ve like, you know, their kid just got a 20 K a month.
They’re they’re obviously proud. Yeah. I did make decisions in my formal school education that didn’t make my mom very proud. Um, but everything else, other than that do it, it’s, it’s surreal. Cause um, I genuinely don’t have to like worry about like any financial issues, um, for myself or for my family right now. Um, I think what’s, I think it hasn’t really hit them yet because I don’t really profit all of it. And what I mean by that is all that money that I’m making. I’m literally putting it back into programs and courses. Gotcha. So I think that’s, but after I think what really helped was uh, when I filed for taxes recently and got all of that taken care of, and they literally all saw all the financial, like I think that’s when it hit them. Um, because for all they know, I’m just some kid that goes into his room and looked at his lob.
So they don’t know anything about how much money you made this month or they’re not like concerned with it at all? No, just the 16 year old kid doing things on the internet.
Yeah. That’s literally it, I’m just having conversations with old men they’re in their forties and fifties. That’s awesome, man. Um, but yeah, I mean it’s, it’s absolutely genuinely like jokes aside. It’s, it’s, it’s made a huge impact obviously, but what’s interesting is when I hang out with my friends, I think you’ve seen this, what you’ve seen it too at that point. Um, when you were like growing and stuff, I’m not sure if you still see like your friends that you’re growing up with. Um, but I thought point like you have this big business going on and then at night when you go hang out with your friends or whatever, it’s still, it’s still you and your friends. Like with me, I’m still playing basketball with my 16 year old day one friends.
Um, but I still like, it’s just, my aura is a little different. Um, but it’s very, it’s very interesting. Like you think when you get to that goal and I kind of hit 20 K a month and I was like, wait, that’s it. I was expecting a little more. Yeah. And it just proves to me that necessarily hitting 20 K a month, isn’t going to change the entire world. But, but the impact it’s made has been tremendous. I don’t, I don’t think I, I know I wouldn’t have gotten here without mastery. And the reason I say that is because my identity would still have been the same.
You’re a different person now. Like you’ve just evolved into a completely different person. Like the way I see you now you’re much more grounded and more mature. Like you’re not, you’re not like all over the place, you know, not add. Right.
I was. So I, especially when we were, I still I’ve trickled some in this interview so far where I was a little on the rain where I was a little like Ginny, especially in the beginning I think. But, um, especially on those calls we would on the Q and A’s when I would have questions, bro. Well, I think that was like, that was, I don’t know. I can’t even think of a word about that. Um, but I remember I w I wasn’t able to like, like you were saying ADHD all over the place. Yeah. But yeah, I think it’s just changing, changing my identity. What’s really helped a lot is, um, I forgot what it’s called, but I do it every day, man. Every day, I still read the reality, um, self mastery guide, everything. Um, and what I, what I periodically change are the people when I’m doing X I’m I’m, um, I don’t know, like, for example, one of them, when I’m working El slash boxing on jacked and no more see Mike Tyson, those types of things like resembling certain people in certain activities, that’s helped me a ton, man. It’s helped me, especially with conversations. I like my I’m able to have much, a much better conversation with people and everything is so much better, bro. It’s it’s so, it’s so surreal. How much changing your identity changes everything. Like how much of an impact switching your identity makes. So
You just take on a different character and you start to like embody the energy of that character.
It becomes a, it becomes a game on
Awesome men. So what’s next,
Bro. Next is I’m going to get on this interview having my, I don’t. So I don’t know exactly if I still want to hit 80 K a month. I don’t know what that is going to bring for me. Uh, what I mean by that is at this point in time, like, uh, so I always had, I always wanted to have that goal of hitting a hundred K months, but for the business model I’m in, that would require a huge team. Um, that would require a lot more of my time. So I think what’s next for me is getting on a, another interview like this one when I hit 50 K a month. And then from there, I think I’ll have a better answer if, uh, I’m thinking still going to 80 K a hundred a month.
Yeah. That’s interesting. You say that and you openly admit that, you know, you don’t really know what’s next because a lot of people think that, Oh yeah. You know, once you come into this program, you just going to automatically know everything, you get clear on a lot of things, but you also start to appreciate that things are always subject to change because you’re uncovering more and more of your real self. Right? So now, like after being in this journey for so long, I’m fairly certain on what it is that I want, but even then I’m still getting to that, right. I’m still uncovering and removing the layers of conditioning that society puts into you like, Oh, you need to want money or you need to want this and you need to want that. Like, when I began, it was, I want to drive a Ferrari and live in a mansion in LA. Now I couldn’t care less about that. Yeah. Mentioning that in the program. But now once you get clear and clarity, you start to see what really excites you, you know? And like you said, it just, it doesn’t even like when you hit that 20 K a month, it’s not even the money that matters. It’s the it’s who you’ve become in that process. It’s a journey.
I think you hit it right on the head. I didn’t even think of that. Yeah. I think the journey of going from, like, I don’t even know if I should say 15 year olds kid, because dude, like, I’m still, I’m still biologically a 15, 16 year old kid. Um, but I feel like, uh, just that transformation, that transformation of what I went through is, is worth is priceless and transformation. Uh, I’m sure. The transformation that you had when you went from quasi that just graduated to where you’re at now, transformation is probably tremendous.
I don’t recognize that person. Yeah. I just, I don’t even recognize that that con it feels like a whole lifetime, even though it was like two years ago.
Yeah, the man that’s crazy. Is it, is it cool if I like, is it cool if like, we go a little, like, I’m very curious as to how that transformation feels for you. Yeah. Go for it. Um, I guess like, I’m trying to think of one. What was, um, I don’t know. Have you heard, I’ve heard those questions where it’s like, Oh, what would you say to that? Pass that like, but I don’t know how applicable, I think what I’m trying to get to is like, what do you feel was what helped you personally with that big transformation? What do you feel like made the biggest impact for how you went from quasi to the quasi? You are now,
Honestly, everything that I teach in the program. Yeah. Right. Or else I wouldn’t have, if it wasn’t from experience, it would just be so like inaccurate and yeah. People would probably wouldn’t get results from it because I wouldn’t be able to communicate it well, but everything that I share in the program is everything that I’ve went through. And I can only share I’ve been through myself, but it’s just, again, the same system, getting clear on what you want, becoming that person, and then abiding in that person, AKA coordination,
Bro. You’ve, you’ve literally built. And this is after this is after me being indoctrinated and like systems and SOP is for my agency. You’ve literally built a system and SOP for transforming your life and your being.
I don’t think anyone does that. And I’m curious why people haven’t done that yet. Like for creating the life that you want, like internally your internal world. Yeah. Right. So that, that’s a personally the most important part. Like people have all of these strategies and tactics for their businesses, but no one has a straight, like a, like a system for their internal growth.
This is so genius. This is so genius, man. Your soul, your soul, right. To your soul. There’s literally nothing like reality mastery on the market.
That’s what I wanted to build.
There are mindset courses, but there’s nothing like a actual system to go through. Step-by-step that’s actually like, you can actually implement to change your internal life, which is everything. Okay.
That was my biggest frustration too, because I was reading so many books. I was doing so many things. I just want it to become better. You know, there was a deep frustration and I tried all of these different things, but nothing like everything was just like a different technique or a different hypnosis or different NLP, different meditation. And all of those things would just at the surface, right? Like it’s just things that you do. It never produced a transformational change in me. And then like I started to like deeply become introspective about areas of my life that transformed and why it happened. And the commonality was, I actually became a new person in the process of it. So that’s when my epiphany came and I started to like use it for myself to test it. Let’s see if I can do it in school, in my grades.
Let’s see if I can do it in the gym. Let’s see if I can do it with my relationships. And I worked in every single aspect. So let’s the biggest struggle I had was with money, you know, because I always had a limiting belief around money and I was like, Oh, you know, I’ll just be a scientist. Rich people are evil. And I saw that, that limiting belief was just like a comfort zone for me. It’s like, Oh, you know, if you start to believe this, then you can just give yourself an excuse for not needing to make money and not needing to achieve that goal instead of just taking responsibility and ownership for it. And just like trying your best and you know, diminishing the ego. And once I did that, then like, you know, I conquered that too. So then I was like, well, this is it. You know, this is what I want to teach people. This is what isn’t there. So out of that deep, it always begins with the resistance and the frustration of what isn’t there in the market. And you’re like, I want to, like, this is, this is what I would have wanted when I was starting off. Yeah.
Hmm, man. I, I think limiting beliefs hold so many people back. It, it helps me. It helped me personally back a lot because the agency at the time when I started, I literally leverage a team that does like, like advertising. And, um, basically what I did was I would sell people and then I would subcontract those people that were professionals. So with me, it’s like, Hey, I’m not really bringing value to the market. I’m literally just sending these guys more people and making a check from it. Um, and so obviously as I’ve refined the fulfillment process, I, I genuinely believe I bring value to the market now, but there was that limiting belief. Um, and I think it holds, it held me back just like limiting beliefs held you back. I think it’s, it’s, uh, limiting beliefs. I don’t think when someone initially hears it, they genuinely understand what it means. Um, if that makes sense, like when I very first heard it, I was like, Oh, I don’t have any limiting beliefs. And I jumped into this thing and I’m like, Holy. I have like at least 15, I can count right now.
Yeah. It’s not like, it’s not that you don’t have limiting beliefs. It’s just, there’s no awareness around it because you’re operating from the limiting beliefs. Right. And you’re like looking as the limiting beliefs and you’re like, where is this? It’s like, where are you?
I fine with the limiting beliefs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, that’s crazy. That’s crazy for sure. So I would say, uh we’re what did you ask me a question and we did we get off track
When you were asking me questions now
I just, I was just very interested in that transformation that you had. Cause it’s, it’s, it’s crazy. It’s crazy.
Awesome. So just to conclude things off, what would you say to someone who’s on the fence about joining? Maybe they’re, you know, they’re like, I don’t know if I should do this. What would you say to them?
Like literally join it. And if all things go wrong, hit me up and I’ll make, I’ll pay you back. The investment that you made. Like, I don’t care. Like these are, this is recorded. Like you, it can go wrong. It actually genuinely can’t go wrong. And you can’t say that no one can say that for any program out there. But the reason I’m able to say that is because this isn’t like another technique. It’s, it’s not another, uh, external type of deal. It’s not teaching you what to do. When that thing gets outdated, two or three years later, this is teaching you how to take your internal self and mold your internal self to feel joy all the time, to just feel peaceful in yourself. And at the same time, have that identity where you’re excelling at the certain aspects of your life that you want to be.
So like Fonzie was saying, this is, you’re able to apply this in your gym life. You’re able to apply this in your business life, your a romantic relationship life, literally in your school life, literally anything. And it’s a system and SOP for, for any, uh, business owners watching this right now. You’re you’re, you know, those SLPs are the systems you get for onboarding new clients or, or booking more calls or setting up ads very fast. This is a SOP and system to mold your internal life to the person you want to become systematically changing or, or bettering your life. And so I can’t think of any worst case scenarios because whatever happens after joining, there’s only good things that are going to happen. I genuinely mean that my best hype men quasi, do you, do you, are you going to pay, are you paying me? Like, did we agree on like a payment structure for anyone that joins after this deal?
Oh yeah, for sure. We’ll, we’ll discuss that.
The guys, I don’t, I’m not getting any commission or at least I don’t think I’m getting any commission on this. So like, it’s not like I’m going to benefit from anything. Like, this is my genuine review after being in it for 10 months and what I’m very grateful for. And I, hopefully this doesn’t become an idea for you quasi, but if you join it, you get it for lifetime, most programs I’m in, after the agreed timeline of working together, they then charge you a monthly fee to keep in the community and to stay in the actual program itself. So that alone is also worth every cent. So I would say if anyone’s on the fence, what’s, I’m sure I’m not the only guy that’s very happy with the program. There’s probably like 50 other interviews like this, check those out. If you don’t believe me, you could search my name and find me, send me a DM.
I’ll put a nose socials in the pin comments or in the description box below. If anyone wants to contact you
Sweet. Yeah, for sure. I’d love that. And then if you want to have a little more questions on why these program, like it’s the real deal. So thank you palsy.
Thank you, man. Everything, man. This makes me really happy. You know, this, honestly, these interviews are more for me than any, any like marketing or prospective clients. When I see these things, I’m like, wow, I can’t believe like, that’s what I did. Like that’s, what’s possible with this, you know? But no, thank you so much for joining us guys. Like I said, um, the North socials will be in the link in the, in the description box and uh, yeah, I’ll see you all next time. I hope this interview was helpful. Leave me a comment. Let me know what you thought of this. If you’d like this, if you want to see more of this, I always love to hear your opinions and where you think we could improve on and make better.
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