How This Therapist Quit His Practice & Started Closing $150k every month By Shifting His Identity

Quazi (00:00):

Welcome guys. Welcome to a brand new interview today. We have Reza MTS from Boston, right?

Reza (00:07):

Resume.

Quazi (00:08):

Nice resume. Right? Say your middle name.

Reza (00:12):

Yeah, that’s my middle name. It’s on my email.

Quazi (00:15):

Awesome man. So Reza joined us three months ago and, uh, it’s quite interesting how residence journey unfolded because you jumped into a completely new endeavor. So you started doing sales for a online business company, but before that you were, you had your own therapy business if I want him to the me. Right, exactly cool, man. So yeah. Why don’t you just introduce yourself real quick before I miss anything I’m going to get the wrong background. Give us a little bit of history about where you were before you joined and what life was like

Reza (00:51):

For sure. So I was working as a therapist for about three years before I joined me all the mastery and things were good, but one of the reasons I joined was because I couldn’t break through, like, I think you might, people might hear this along the channel, like break through a certain income level or like a barrier, but it wasn’t really because of like what I was doing with my marketing or like my clinical work, because theoretically it was all good. And I just kind of out of the sense, there was something internal that was kind of holding me black. So, you know, for me as an entrepreneur, I never worked a, a real W2 job. I’ve always been doing my own thing, whether it’s therapy or like other side hustles, but, um, I kinda needed something to like really stabilize my internal world so I could start to see consistent revenue. Um, and it led me into a lot deeper things that was like the, the kind of like superficial aspect of what I wanted, but the journey led me into like a whole new world of, um, internal things which have been really, really great.

Quazi (01:49):

That’s awesome, man. Okay. So I’m sorry. I think my mic was a different mic. It sounds better now, right? Yeah. I can hear you. Okay, perfect. So you, how long have you been in therapy? So you graduated in 2018, right? So what was your journey like as a therapist?

Reza (02:10):

Yeah, it was a little non-traditional because I’ve always been interested in like, you know, really spiritual modality. So I’ve been studying like karma and reincarnation, all that really cool stuff and like yoga stuff, which, um, is kind of what drew me to this because I know you integrate a lot of that and I’ve been doing like a non-traditional form of therapy that was really effective. Um, and then doing things like plant medicine, I would go to Brazil and drink Iowasca and like the forest and my favorite things to do. But, um, so I was doing things like that. And, you know, as I was, uh, as I was going about my therapist journey, it was all really transformative, but it got me to this place of like really deep inner peace for the most part, obviously things come up, but I didn’t have like a clear vision of what I want, what I, why I was doing what I was doing.

Reza (02:57):

Um, what I really wanted to like have the, you know, my purpose in life so that when I die, when I look back at my life, I’m like, oh, I did everything that I really wanted to do. Um, so I just felt kind of stuck there. And then obviously when you’re not clear, internally, externally my income level is going up and down some weeks it was awesome. Some weeks it was like one fourth of what it was. Um, so I realized, okay, if everything externally is kind of an internal reflection, there’s something I’m missing. And it must be like a missing piece in my therapeutic modality, even though it was really remarkable for helping people with trauma, anxiety, depression, some physical things like chronic pain. Um, it didn’t feel like a complete model to me. And I couldn’t like embody it myself and be where I want it to be. So it kind of made me want to search for something else. And that’s how I found this.

Quazi (03:44):

Right. So when you were running your own practice, what was that like? Was it like in person, were you doing it online?

Reza (03:53):

It was in person. Um, then I had to switch to zoom with COVID, but when COVID hit it wiped out my entire practice, because, you know, at the beginning, most of my clients were in-person and then there were panicking. A lot of them lost their jobs and then my practice just went to zero. Right. Um, so that was a pivotal moment for me. Actually. How

Quazi (04:12):

Much were you making in your practice? Like per month?

Reza (04:15):

On average? I would say about five to seven K, but then there were times where it would go less and sometimes they would go more. It was really inconsistent. Like there were some months where I hit like nine K 10 K, and then it would go to like 4k the next month. And I wasn’t really changing anything on my marketing. Right.

Quazi (04:34):

Okay. And how are you getting clients back then?

Reza (04:37):

I was using it’s a therapist thing, but we’re using psychology today. And then I would use Facebook ads sometime, sometimes. So those two.

Quazi (04:44):

Okay. And how many hours a week were you working?

Reza (04:47):

Oh, God. Um, a lot. I was doing like 10 to 30 hours of clients per week. And then I had to do like administrative stuff, documentation, things like that. So then with that, it was like 40 to 50 sometimes.

Quazi (05:00):

Oh crap. So you’re working pretty much because the 10 to 30 hours of actual one-on-one time that you do with clients, that’s pretty taxing. I bet, because you are really, you know, you’re focused, you’re concentrated on at least hearing your clients out, solving their problems. But on top of that, you’ve got to do stuff like admin stuff that I guess nobody, no therapist would want to do. So. And you were doing all of that yourself, right? You didn’t have like an assistant or anything?

Reza (05:27):

No. Yeah. I was kind of, um, I was part of a group. Um, I have two mentors who were psychologists, but you know, when it comes to the admin stuff, it was more so like not admin for clients, but more so admin around, you know, writing book proposals, um, researching marketing opportunities, things like that, which I’m not passionate about, but they’re kind of necessary if you’re running a private practice.

Quazi (05:48):

Okay. So you were doing 50 hours a week and you were earning cracking barely 10 K, usually around five to eight K a month.

Reza (05:56):

10 K was like the best month. I’d say on average, probably like six K a month.

Quazi (06:01):

How much are you making now in commissions per month?

Reza (06:04):

A lot more. I think so far, I’m just looking at my tracker. I’ve done about $300,000 in revenue of sales. So that’s about 30 grand with accounts receivable and I’ve only done 163 hours of work. So my hourly wage is 163 hours of calls. Right. Which is kind of like sitting with a client, so to speak. But I think hourly what I’m making, it’s like not even comparable.

Quazi (06:32):

Right. So per month, like what does that translate to if we could apples to apples,

Reza (06:41):

Apples to apples, I’d say, um, first month, including accounts receivables, about 15 K second month, there was a delay period. And I went down to six K, but this month I’m halfway through it and about already at nine K for the month. Wow. So

Quazi (06:54):

This is looking like an 18 K month.

Reza (06:57):

Yeah. It’s looking, um, it’s looking that way. So I’d say on average, probably north of like 10 K per month already. And I’ve only been doing it for about three months.

Quazi (07:09):

Got it. So you were saying your very first month that you started your sales job, you hit 15 K in commissions.

Reza (07:17):

Yeah. It was about 150,000. Yeah. Right.

Quazi (07:20):

That is insane. So let’s, let’s talk about that. You had your therapy practice and then you got wiped out by COVID. How did you come across like this online business and you know, how did you join that and become a sales person?

Reza (07:37):

Yeah, so it’s really interesting because I found Sam ovens and I thought Sam ovens was going to be like the key for me. It was going to help me take my therapy practice to the next level and really like, you know, scale my business there. But you’ve talked about this a lot where there, there can be so many people who go through the same program, but get entirely different results. We launched an online training program. It did. Okay. But it was unsustainable, you know, the cash ROI wasn’t good enough to sustain it. The offer wasn’t right. There was marketing things. Um, and it didn’t really take my therapy practice to the next level it did for a little bit, but then my practice got wiped out again because we turn up on Facebook ads and then I lost all my clients. Um, so it was just a reflection of like that up and down internally. So it didn’t really do much. And then that’s when I, you know, I actually reached out to someone, you know, Chester, um, because I saw what he was doing and I was really, you know, intrigued by like his vision and like the results he was getting. And then when I actually started working with him, um, on this new venture, that’s when I took the dive into this and then started like forming, solidifying my internal world.

Quazi (08:43):

Got it. So you joined, if we get like an accurate timeline here, you joined reality mastery, right. At the beginning of you beginning this new job as a sales rep. Right. Exactly. What inspired that

Reza (08:58):

Two questions. So I’ve been following you for years and, um, I think in the past year or so, I started to resonate with your content more. I’m not sure exactly why, like I was like more drawn into it than before, and I was always on the fence of joining, but I was still caught up with my therapy practice that, you know, I never got around to it. But then when I kind of went to this new position and I was just like, all right, I’m in a new field. I don’t know what I’m doing. I need the kind of like expert mentorship and guidance, especially, um, you know, with sales, that’s kind of what pushed me to join. And then just seeing people’s kind of experiences and results that pushed me to join externally. But internally I think I was drawn to it because I realized there’s something missing in my methodology as a therapist. If I’m not practicing what I preach, you know, am I external? It was so chaotic. There had to be something that I was missing.

Quazi (09:51):

Got it. Could you elaborate on that? Like what did you feel you were missing?

Reza (09:56):

This is Washington. So I think, and like some of my posts in school, I mentioned like I done literally everything I could find I’ve done psychedelics, I’ve done, like, you know, all these amazing forms of therapy for personal growth, shamonic journey, so many different things. And it really got me to this place of like neutrality and inner peace for the most part, but that’s fine. And I mean, it’s a wonderful thing. And like, it took a long, it took a while to get there, but in terms of like goal achievement, I was missing the fact that to create like, you know, new karma and create like, you know, these new levels of being, you really need to be a lot more conscientious. So it was the goal achievement part and redirecting the new energy and the current.

Quazi (10:40):

Got it. So it’s interesting. You say that you mentioned that you did all of those things and it helped you get to this place of neutrality of like peace and calm, but you still weren’t able to transfer that into achieving your goals. You still didn’t know how to channel that, to achieving your goals. Right, exactly. How do you think reality mastery helped you with that?

Reza (11:00):

Oh my God, man. And changed the game. Um, like I’ll tell you, I’m looking at my tracker right now. So far this month, I’ve only done 21, like enrollment calls and I have like nine deals already, 43% conversion rate, 424% cash ROI. And I literally, I don’t think I’m a particularly good sales rep. I think it’s just reality mastery, right? Where learning how to channel your free energy and kind of like propel reality is what’s making things like this happen. And it’s simply, I think for me, at least what it was, was realizing what I needed to do day-to-day and how to consciously control my thought processes, how I spend my time, my vision for myself, and kind of make life a walking meditation, which has made me a lot more non-reactive and be able to like have like miraculous starts to months like this.

Quazi (11:47):

This is so great. I think this will be so key to anyone who has like a business centered around like doing sales calls or even just like marketing online. Um, so if any of you are listening to this, I hope this is super valuable to you, but just going back into your journey, Reza you’ve have you done sales before?

Reza (12:09):

I did for our online training and like from my own therapy practice, cause you’re always selling ’cause I actually, um, I was not insurance, which I think 90% of therapists are. So I always had to like sell myself to like get clients, but never high ticket like this.

Quazi (12:23):

Okay. So you’ve never, ever sold a high ticket product, you know, that’s maybe more than 5k, correct. Okay. But even, uh, doing whatever sales you were doing before, how many appointments, how many sales calls, how many hours would you say you’ve done prior?

Reza (12:41):

Maybe like a hundred dollars next.

Quazi (12:43):

Okay. A hundred dollars max, from my experience, it takes at least 500 hours for someone to become as experienced as, you know, the kind of results we’re seeing you get, but you were able to completely bypass that and just use a hundred hours and milk the most experience from those hundred hours. But you mentioned that something extra, that extra oomph that kind of helped you, uh, skyrocket that. So let’s go back to your journey when you started with Chester, um, and, and your new company, when you started off, what was your sales journey like? Like where you immediately right off the bat closing like crazy or,

Reza (13:24):

Yeah, that’s a good question. So I think in my first week, um, maybe close like one or two deals out of like 10 or 12 calls, just kind of like standard ending a little bit below average. But the key for me was kind of, you had talked about this in the program about, you know, holding the internal world consistent and the mirror principle, which follows up your channel and they know, and it was interesting because reality mastery made me really non-attached where at the beginning, I didn’t care if I close or didn’t closed. Um, I was totally open to the fact that I might fail. I might be really successful. I might get fired and I felt kind of inner peace, no matter what. And then I just held, you know, everything consistent internally of what I wanted, kept taking the action. And then all of a sudden, after those first 10 goals, it exploded. And I think, you know, I ended up around like a 40% close rate for my first month.

Quazi (14:13):

Wow. That’s crazy. And it’s not just, I don’t think that’s beginner’s luck cause now you’re, you’re pretty much consistently doing it.

Reza (14:23):

Yeah. I really think it’s the, um, the program man. Like, I didn’t know what, I didn’t know if that makes sense where like, I didn’t realize how important it was to like control your thoughts and your energy like daily. And I simply thought just because I had gone to a place of inner peace, oh, life is going to be like Rosie and like green and like amazing all the time. But it wasn’t the case. Right. Things were still happening. I wasn’t in full control of like, you know, myself and my reality, but, um, it’s changing a lot ever. I joined. It’s awesome. So,

Quazi (14:52):

In what way did you feel that you were in fully in control and that something was still missing? Like what made you think that

Reza (15:01):

That’s a good question. Um, I think for me it was the entrepreneurship journey. Cause it’s a, it’s a really clear reflection of your internal. When you see like, you know, the results your clients are getting your revenue levels, your business performance. Um, I think, cause it’s kind of like the way you, one thing is the way you everything. So I realized that because my business and my actual no income and what I was seeing reflected, wasn’t where I felt like it should be. Then I realize, okay, there’s something up and then I need to do something about it.

Quazi (15:33):

Got it. And how long, like what, what’s one goal that you’ve had for a very long time for your income that you weren’t in with the, with the therapy practice. So it kinda made you frustrated and think, well, I’m not doing it now. I’m inconsistent. I’m not getting the kind of money that I want. What was that goal?

Reza (15:50):

Yeah. So when I was a therapist, it was a little bit lower actually, just because of like, you know, the industry I was aiming for about 10 K per month consistently, and I would get there, I would get lower. It was just all over the place. But now with the program, I think I kind of have a hygiene standard of like doing a hundred K a month in sales, which is like 10 grand commissions minimum. And you know, that kind of just feels like it’s a little bit under selling at this point and I’m kind of shoot for 20 K per month for myself and 200 K per month for like the, you know, whatever team I’m working for. Um, that’s kind of what it feels like internally is more acceptable with like how I perform now.

Quazi (16:25):

Got it. So I think from that, an important piece that you brought up is the hygiene standard. When you were working at the therapy practice, your hygiene standard was 5k a month. Like you just gotta to do 5k and 10, K’s the goal because it’s hard to make as a therapist, 10 K a month, but now you’re seeing, wait a second. I can easily make 10 K a month. This is my hygiene standard. So I should be aiming for 20. Do you see? That is actually, that’s very interesting that that’s how, that’s how it works for a very long time. Like my personal hygiene standard was all right, well at least make 20 K a month, 20 K a month. That’s the hygiene standard. Anything else is a bonus on top of that, but that brings me to another point, which is the attachment piece that you talked about because you mentioned initially, you know, you’re, you’re a little bit attached on the cause your internal world wasn’t quite where you wanted it to be. Could you elaborate on that? How did you overcome that and how did that translate to your sales?

Reza (17:27):

That’s a really good question. So I’m going to answer the second part first because when I overcame it, there was actually like a really key example of a yesterday where I had someone who was on the verge of signing up, entered in all their credit card information. And then all of a sudden their husband calls and they need to talk to them and they’re like, okay, I need like two more days to like figure it out. So, you know, for some people that would cause them to be really anxious, like, oh, I just lost the sale. Honestly, didn’t really care. It made, I didn’t really feel a difference internally. Uh, I think he’s going to come back and she’s going to actually, you know, work with us because she could feel the energy. She could feel like what we’re all about and if we’re the right fit.

Reza (17:58):

But at the beginning, when things like that would happen, I’d be like, oh my God, I just lost the deal. But now I kind of see it as like, are there’s something good coming out of this? Like, you know, I don’t know why this happened, but I assume it’s happening, you know, for my advantage or it’s just the delay and I don’t really get kind of phased by it. So I think when you’re in sales too, it can be so stressful for some people. But what this program has done is kind of given me that Bulletproof mindset where, when things like that happen, honestly, I kind of laugh because I’m assuming it’s happening, like for the better. And I just can’t see it yet. And then in some way, whether she signs up or she doesn’t, I just know it’s for the better, whether she was going to be like, you know, a bad client in our course, or wasn’t really the right fit for her, or just wasn’t meant to be, or he’s going to come back, have even more clarity and be like one of our best customers. Um, so that’s kind of what it’s done for my mindset, which I think is invaluable if you’re in sales.

Quazi (18:48):

Very, very interesting. That’s very interesting. A lot of people don’t see it that way because they’re like, oh, I lost the sale in the moment. You’re like, I wanted to get this, but I didn’t get this. And you become, you fall asleep in the, oh my God, I’m so close to getting this. And then you’re like, ah, I didn’t get it. But then you don’t think about future consequences of what would have happened if you’ve got a terrible client, you know, maybe they would ruin the whole group dynamic. Maybe they wouldn’t get results and complain all the time and they would just be a headache to deal with. But now you can reframe that and see the advantage in it, which then brings in more of the good stuff. It puts you onto favorable lifelines where better things can happen in your life. That’s, that’s something that took me a very, very long time to realize, because I was like always skeptical. I was like, all right, well, this is clearly bad because I wanted this and it didn’t happen. So nothing good can ever come out of it. So how did you, how did you get to that point in your mindset? Because it’s kind of easy to say like, oh, just look at the bright side, just look at the positive side of things. What happened within Reza that made that shift happen?

Reza (19:53):

That’s a good question. So I think, you know, for those of you who joined rally mastery, which I’d say, you know, definitely join. If you want to take your sales to the next level, what you learn to do is you also, you learn how to really process the negative, where you don’t avoid, you know, thoughts that are coming up that are negative. So to speak, whether it’s anxiety, depression, sadness, whatever’s coming up in your body, you learn how to actually face your suffering and fully feel it instead of resisting it because when you resist it or you suppress it, then it starts to fester and it generates externally in other ways. But if you face it head on, then what happens is that it dissipates, you become internally clear and then you can have those experiences where, you know, things like what happened to me, don’t really phase you that much. And you get better results, um, to, to keep it simple. That’s kind of how I would explain it.

Quazi (20:45):

So everything that you just explained Reza, it’s you do that in a fraction of a second in the moment dynamically, right? Like the feelings coming up and you’re dynamically processing it every single minute of the day. So how did you get to that point of, okay. What initially immediately happens on the call when she says, oh, you know what I gotta think about it. Or, you know what? I got to talk to my husband about it. I need two days. So what initially happens and how do you deal with that

Reza (21:13):

To your question? So what I like to do is I kind of feel before I respond or I’ll notice like there’s a tightness in my chest or a pit in my stomach or some kind of like discomfort in my body. And then I just kind of feel it and I wait a second and I notice it starts to dissipate and I start to like wake up, you know, I start to realize, oh, wait, I’m not this anxiety. I’m not this like stress in my stomach. That’s just like a fraction of me. It’s not who I really am. And when you do that, you kind of witness it, become the witness instead of like the character in the dream and you can respond, however you want, you can respond happily and really you have full choice. And then people can feel that like, I didn’t even like push that much on the call because I just have a feeling he’s going to come back and like, be like, Hey, I looked at the other options. You guys are the best I’m going to work with you. But the thing is, it gives you not only the choice to respond in any way you want by fully feeling it. But people sense it. They pick up on it and like, um, I’ve had people just like want to work with this just because, from my perspective, like from them feeling the energy of like what we’re all about, which I think is because of, you know, the work that we do around mastery,

Quazi (22:17):

This is a sales gold. This is absolute like sales goal that you’re dropping here because a lot of people there, they get so hung up on the, on the techniques and the tactics of how do I increase my close rate? How do I, you know, get more leads and how do I close them better? And they start to do all of the NLP work and say this line and do that line. Have you had experience with any of those?

Reza (22:40):

Yeah. So, um, in my sales training, I learned about those and I’ve, um, I’m like understanding. I understand how to like do those things. But to me, those are just like techniques. I know we talked about this a lot and we’re only mastery. I wouldn’t say they’re gimmicky because they have use where they like help people figure out what’s going on within themselves or guide them towards their desired outcome. But they’re nowhere near as powerful as the principal. So if you look at the principles that underlie an LP, it’s mostly, it’s just an energetic thing, right? It’s like coming from a place of like certainty conviction in yourself and your offer. Because if you’re really being someone who believes in what they’re offering, you, you’re going to speak in a certain way. You’re going to have certain tonality. You’re going to have certain like hand movements. So all of that, it’s like, why focus on like the 10% of these little things on like the material level? Why not focus on the energetic, do those things naturally and do things that are better that people haven’t even learned in LP NLP that you’re going to know. Absolutely.

Quazi (23:36):

Right. So there, that’s something powerful that you’ve highlighted it. So people focus on the 10%. Most salespeople get so hung up and you know, they don’t close well because they keep focusing on the techniques and the 10%, but what’s the 90% that causes the 10%. It’s the energetics. Like if you’re communicating with a human being, you don’t have to tell someone that, oh, in order to be nice, you have to go up to that person and shake their hand like this. You know, it’s like, if you’re a nice person, you’re naturally going to extend out your hand, shake their hand and speak to them in a certain way, in a certain tonality. All of that subconsciously happens when you focus on the right goal, right. When you focus on the underlying principles. So that’s essentially what sales is as, as you just described. So when did you realize that?

Reza (24:23):

That’s a good question again. Um, I don’t know when I realized that I think the program is laid out in a way where like you’re internalizing new principals every week and you’re really like, you’re in a journey of self-discovery, it’s not like a quick fix. It’s like, you’re doing work. You’re really looking within yourself for what’s important to you, who you are, what you want. And I think it just happened like over the course of a few weeks where by the end of it, I just show up in a different way. Right. Like I think, I mean, technically like I’m about to be sales captain or leader, whatever they call it, I’m going to run a team of like three or so. And

Quazi (24:53):

Wait, wait, pause right there. So you, you just joined two, three months ago and you started this new job and now you’re already getting promoted to the sales lead, the sales manager.

Reza (25:03):

Yeah. I credit the program a hundred percent, honestly. That’s crazy. Yeah. It’s amazing. Because simply what the program did to create that was it changed who I’m being. Right. So here’s, here’s what, here’s what it is. It’s not about selling because for me, I I’ve come to the calls and I viewed as like a consultation. Can I help this person? Do we have what solution they want? Um, are we the right fit to work together? Is there, are there certain roadblocks they have that they’re not aware of? Can I help them realize it? Can I help them realize that we’re the solution that they need? It, it goes beyond that because outside of that, what I do is I’m in our community. I’m helping our clients. I really care about their success. I help them with like, I guess most it’s not really on the job description, but it’s kind of what I do just because I care about our clients and I want to see them successful.

Reza (25:45):

And I get that conviction from seeing people make the transformations in our program that carries over to the calls. So I think just because I’m doing all of that and I’m being someone who’s like, I’m a partner in the business, as opposed to just like a sales replicant for commissions. At this point, I don’t really care that much about the money. My goal is to 20 K, but like, it doesn’t matter that much, but when you come from a place of like full investment in life and in your clients and their success, then you come to these calls, people are gonna feel it. You’re gonna get promoted. You’re gonna become a partner in the business. All the things are gonna happen because of who you’re being and what you’re offering life itself.

Quazi (26:21):

So you’re saying all of those things that have happened, all the good things that have happened are simply a by-product of you becoming the right person.

Reza (26:29):

For sure. I used to be so much lazier than I am now. Now I work. Like, I mean, like, I love the work that I do and I work. I have like an unlimited capacity for work. I can spend all day working if I need to, I can work five hours, 10. It doesn’t really matter. It depends on what our team needs. Hmm.

Quazi (26:44):

That’s interesting. So what do you think, in your opinion, going through the program, what was the biggest eye-opener for you? The biggest perspective shift or which module which week, you know, gave you the biggest insight?

Reza (26:58):

Uh, week four, for sure. So I can talk about it one of two ways I can talk about it in terms of like mindset or like spirituality, and I don’t know what people are gonna resonate with, so you can tell me

Quazi (27:08):

Whichever you’ve had the most has had the biggest impact on you.

Reza (27:13):

Yeah. So I’m gonna talk about it in terms of spirituality, because I feel like for me, at least I was really spiritual before this and I was like, what can this offer me that I don’t already know? And I was skeptical. So, you know, hopefully people who see this who like into like, you know, really wonderful psycho-spiritual things like shamanism and all those wonderful, different traditions can get some value out of this. For me, it taught me all this of no karma that I couldn’t put together. And when I got to week four, I realized like how, um, the work I was doing before, it was creamy from a lot of like karma and like dense energy and trauma. I had my body and getting into that inner point of peace, but it wasn’t creating like a new destiny for myself. I was kind of going along with this, like predetermined, like lifeline where, when you’re neutral, which was, you know, H and L well yogis do and people, and I are Veda.

Reza (28:01):

When you get to that neutrality, you’re kind of still living out a sort of predetermined karma. But if you really want to create something new, like going to a new field, become a team leader, become a long-term partner in the business, do good numbers. You might need to channel that free energy and create new good karma. And the thing for me was I was always under the impression like, oh, I can just burn my karma off and like heal myself. And like, I’m gonna make 20 K a month. That wasn’t my path. I had to realize that, you know, too, for me as an entrepreneur, I have to create, at least at times create some new energy and new karma in order to hit the goals I would want to hit. And it was always a trade-off because, you know, you want to be in the world as an entrepreneur, but if you’re really spiritual, which I feel like I am, I also like want to like, become as empty as possible. So there’s this really tense trade-off and then wanting to got to week four, I was like, this right here was worth the entire program and enrolling in it because this is what I’ve been looking for for like three years. And I was just, there’s this missing key that, um, I picked up around that, so that I feel way more in control of like my destiny now and like even more things outside of sales that happened that are bananas because of this program. But I’ll tell you about that later.

Quazi (29:09):

You’re not open to sharing that in the interview.

Reza (29:12):

Well, I can tell you now. So I just don’t know if it’s that off topic, but basically what I realized was my longterm vision. I don’t think I’ll be a sales rep forever. I think I’ll be, um, sort of someone who bridges psychology and like spirituality and like Eastern and Western traditions. That’s kinda like my, my heart street desire. Um, I’m actually doing a PhD in clinical psychology right now, but basically, um, what this program kind of did was just going through the process, all of the mistakes that I made in my private practice into my last like therapy course launch, um, around all these little tactics and principles, they kind of just reveal themselves to me throughout this process. And it kind of gave me all the steps that I need that let’s say like 10 years down the line, I want to start a Iowasca center and a plant medicine, spiritual center.

Reza (30:04):

I know exactly what to do now. And I have no doubt my month that it would do at least 20 K um, simply just because like the tools and principles appeared as I became really clear about who I am, what I want. And it’s hilarious because they were right under my nose. They were there the whole time when I was an Uplevel, when I was creating my first business. Um, and I just didn’t see them. It was like, it was blocked out to me, but now I found literally like two things that I needed that are gonna change the game for me in the long run. Um, if I ever started like a spiritual healing center or something. Wow,

Quazi (30:33):

That’s great. It sounds like you’ve had all of these like internal conflict before you came in, you were just internally kind of conflicted and you’re maybe kind of doubting yourself and what you believe, what you thought to be true and you just couldn’t bridge them together. And it seems like when you go to week four, you really like, it all clicked. It started working harmoniously together. Would that be accurate for me to say

Reza (30:54):

A hundred percent? Hmm.

Quazi (30:57):

That’s interesting. It’s interesting to see how we start to get in our own ways, because we can’t, you know, harmonize these, these conflicting viewpoints. We always think it’s binary. It’s either one way or the other. And you know, from what you’ve just described to me, I truly believe that, you know, you joined the program at the right time. You might’ve been following for three years, but it wasn’t the right time. Then for you to join, you had to go through all of those things for you to join right now, at this point, when you’re at this sales Korea, and then you find out the tools, cause this is all a journey, right? That’s unfolding, but it’s all unfold unfolding, according to your will, because you have this, this intention this will have where you’d like to take your life.

Reza (31:38):

Exactly. A hundred percent. I think people are drawn to like the right. You, you mentioned this like yesterday in school, actually people are drawn to the right teachers, the right tactics, the right programs at the right stage of their life based off who they are and their goals. And I think if I joined this earlier, I would’ve gotten nowhere near as much out of it as I did now, because right now I was at like a critical juncture. I was like between like, alright, am I going to abandon being a psychologist? Which I’m in school for forever? Or like, what am I going to do? And this really helped give me the confidence that no matter what I do, it’s like my standard is written to, I mean, it’s, to me, it’s just so easy. I can see how to get to minimum 20 K a month, no matter what I do and use that to like, you know, do other like ventures and like plant medicine, all these wonderful things that I want to bring to the world. But it’s insane. Yeah. It was amazing time. Yeah.

Quazi (32:27):

That’s amazing, man. Wow. It’s, it’s been a real pleasure hearing about your journey reservoir, I guess, just to conclude, do you have anything you’d like to share or, you know, if someone were on the, about joining the program, what would you say to them?

Reza (32:43):

Um, I’d say if you’re on the fence, trust your gut. I mean, trust that part of you. That’s like beyond the conscious mind, that really knows what’s true for you. And even if you have like fear of the unknown, um, trust your gut. Because for me, you know, I feel like I was maybe a bit non-traditional when I came to this program in the sense that I’d studied so many things. Like, I think I talked about them, all these different spiritual disciplines, Western psychology, all these different ways to like transform yourself. And I was like, oh, I must know everything, but no, it really humbled me. Cause I was like, I’m nowhere near as like, well, versus I thought, and if you’re even just doing this for spiritual development, it’s going to do so much for you. It goes way beyond like your income. It kind of brings you in line with your pure life’s path who you really are, who you want to be. So I’d say a best investment of my life, which has paid for itself, like dozens of times over already. And it’s been three months. Wow.

Quazi (33:36):

That’s hard to live up to Reza. Thank you so much for this interview, man. Um, I’m going to insert your socials in the description below so others can contact you whatever you’d like, but yeah, I hope you guys got value from this. Thank you so much for joining us and um, I’ll see you guys next time.

Reza (33:57):

Take it easy, man.